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<blockquote data-quote="Sistrin" data-source="post: 69660952" data-attributes="member: 309500"><p>I've been busy, but a few points.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The term "often" means that? Perhaps you should reexamine the applicable portions of my post.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you like drek, indulge yourself. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4052886/" target="_blank">IMDB</a> has the show trending down 18 points, while <a href="http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/lucifer-season-one-ratings/" target="_blank">Nielsen</a> ratings reveal a drop of almost twenty percentage points from its first week alone. The show isn't just another in a long line of attempts to redefine the father of all lies, i.e., satanic deception gone prime time, it is puerile and insulting crap. The sad news is it will probably be renewed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually I believe it is a combination of all three. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Satanism is the occult, the occult is satanism. The two are irrevocably intertwined. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that is another argument I did not make. There exist a plethora of themes expressed in music, to include of course rock music. That does not preclude but rather includes all the ones I mentioned. And the concept of the effect of those themes <a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01537363?no-access=true" target="_blank">isn't</a> <a href="https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-55884913/heavy-metal-music-and-adolescent-suicidality-an-empirical" target="_blank">new</a>. <a href="http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Ballard_Mary_1999_Genre_of_Music.pdf" target="_blank">Quote</a>:</p><p></p><p><em>"Heavy metal lyrics often have themes of alienation, retribution, and angst (Arnett, 1996; Trzcinski, 1992). The lyrics may contain references to sex, drug use, suicide, Satanism, and violence (Arnett, 1996; Bashe, 1985; Gore, 1987). From the listener's standpoint, the lyrics are secondary to the loud, guitar-driven music and may be difficult to comprehend (Hansen & Hansen, 1991). Furthermore, heavy metal lyrics are often metaphorical and open to interpretation (Arnett, 1996; Fox & Williams, 1974; Trzcinski, 1992). </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Rap lyrics are chanted and accompanied by rhythmic music that may include dragging a phonograph needle across a record; the lyrics of rap songs are usually easy to comprehend. Rap lyrics, which sometimes contain objectionable language, often expound on the problems of urban life (Simpson, 1990), sometimes including themes of sex, drug use, misogyny, or violence (Epstein, Pratto, & Skipper, 1990). Like heavy metal, rap lyrics often express themes of alienation and powerlessness among youth (Epstein et al.). </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Pop music lyrics address a myriad of themes and include references to sex, violence, drug use, and Satan, or they may contain objectionable language (Gore, 1987; Prinsky & Rosenbaum, 1987). Pop music reaches a larger audience than either heavy metal or rap music does."</em></p><p></p><p>In October of 1969 Jimi Hendrix was quoted in a Life Magazine article. He said: </p><p></p><p><em>"You can hypnotize people with music and when you get them at their weakest point, you can preach into the subconscious what we want to say."</em></p><p></p><p>MTV once used as an advertising slogan the phrase "MTV, aggressively reorganizing your brain." Musicians recognize the power they often wield. Blacky Lawless of W.A.S.P was once quoted as having said:</p><p></p><p><em>"Rock 'n' Roll is an aggressive art form, pure hostility and aggression. I believe in that like a religion."</em></p><p></p><p>In their 20th anniversary issue the mouth pieces for the Rolling Stone claimed:</p><p></p><p><em>"It's not just an exaggeration to say that rebellion is more than just an occasional theme in rock, it is its very heart and soul."</em></p><p></p><p>While the manager of the actual Rolling Stones once said:</p><p></p><p><em>"Rock IS sex. You have to hit teenagers in the face with it!"</em></p><p></p><p>How many famous rock and pop musicians have died due to drug and/or alcohol related causes? A partial list includes Brian Jones, Sid Vicious, Dennis Wilson, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, Janice Joplin, Bon Scott, Frankie Lymon, Tim Harden, Phil Lynott, and David Ruffin, who died of an overdose of cocaine. More recent qualifiers would include Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Scott Weiland, and Dave Brockie. Brockie, of the band GWAR, died a heroin overdose. </p><p></p><p>The issue isn't that themes of rock music include glorification of all manner of societal ills. The issue is those most easily influenced by the power of music should be aware of that fact. It goes without saying, or at least it should, that not everyone who listens to raunchy or satanic themed music will fall prey to it. But many will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I have to be called a name, I can live with that one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Speaking of theme, do you know what that movie was actually about? The metaphor being employed?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That isn't the philosophy Crowley espoused. He did not state do what thou wilt as long as it did not harm others. He said, preached, and promoted the philosophy do what thou wilt. There were no qualifiers on that, the stated goal restricted only by personal desire. Crowley has been called the most wicked man to ever live. If only ten percent of what he claimed to have done in pursuit of his carnal desires is actually true, he would still go down in history as an incredibly evil man. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because satanism is free of religious fundamentalism. Satanist have their own bible, their own version of the ten commandments, their own churches, rituals, prayers, and dogma. The primary difference is the majority of it is motivated by hate. From the to the Satanic Bible: </p><p></p><p><em>"Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates! Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!"</em></p><p></p><p>From the book of satan, quote:</p><p></p><p><em>"Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong!"</em></p><p></p><p>The book of lucifer promotes the philosophy of "satanic sex," as well as vengeance for all transgressions. The book of belial covers ritual and magic. The book of Leviathan includes an invocation to satan."</p><p></p><p>Have fun.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Another claim I never made. I merely illustrated what occurred as an illustration of the influence. Aleister Crowley was featured on the cover of "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band." </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I already addressed this once. But again, try the 600 club as a starter. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Two words I never used. I know what sources I posted because I posted them. Please support this claim with examples from the direct links I embedded. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The answer is yes. But what I believe is far less important to the question than how these people represent themselves. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntp2IyiA-Q" target="_blank">Kanye West</a> admitted to it on video. Rihanna makes her allegiances clear in the uncensored version of her video for the song "Better Have My Money," which I can't link to here due to forum rules. But I can post this:</p><p></p><p><img src="http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dejam3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p></p><p>As for Black Sabbath, <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VIt42ZwDrR4/TFrXnDNDNAI/AAAAAAAAD68/NyMw4nt-MaE/s1600/Black+Sabbath++Death+Raiders+Their+Satanic+Majesties+back.jpg" target="_blank">please</a>. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here is a challenge for you. Dissect this image:</p><p></p><p><img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wc1-UeOl5_0/UmyOrk9T5UI/AAAAAAAAB1U/_sxHwt_ODzs/s1600/Kanye-West-Yeezus-Album-Download.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> </p><p></p><p>Tell us what you believe the imagery is designed to represent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sistrin, post: 69660952, member: 309500"] I've been busy, but a few points. The term "often" means that? Perhaps you should reexamine the applicable portions of my post. If you like drek, indulge yourself. [URL='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4052886/']IMDB[/URL] has the show trending down 18 points, while [URL='http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/lucifer-season-one-ratings/']Nielsen[/URL] ratings reveal a drop of almost twenty percentage points from its first week alone. The show isn't just another in a long line of attempts to redefine the father of all lies, i.e., satanic deception gone prime time, it is puerile and insulting crap. The sad news is it will probably be renewed. Actually I believe it is a combination of all three. Satanism is the occult, the occult is satanism. The two are irrevocably intertwined. Except that is another argument I did not make. There exist a plethora of themes expressed in music, to include of course rock music. That does not preclude but rather includes all the ones I mentioned. And the concept of the effect of those themes [URL='http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01537363?no-access=true']isn't[/URL] [URL='https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-55884913/heavy-metal-music-and-adolescent-suicidality-an-empirical']new[/URL]. [URL='http://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Ballard_Mary_1999_Genre_of_Music.pdf']Quote[/URL]: [I]"Heavy metal lyrics often have themes of alienation, retribution, and angst (Arnett, 1996; Trzcinski, 1992). The lyrics may contain references to sex, drug use, suicide, Satanism, and violence (Arnett, 1996; Bashe, 1985; Gore, 1987). From the listener's standpoint, the lyrics are secondary to the loud, guitar-driven music and may be difficult to comprehend (Hansen & Hansen, 1991). Furthermore, heavy metal lyrics are often metaphorical and open to interpretation (Arnett, 1996; Fox & Williams, 1974; Trzcinski, 1992). Rap lyrics are chanted and accompanied by rhythmic music that may include dragging a phonograph needle across a record; the lyrics of rap songs are usually easy to comprehend. Rap lyrics, which sometimes contain objectionable language, often expound on the problems of urban life (Simpson, 1990), sometimes including themes of sex, drug use, misogyny, or violence (Epstein, Pratto, & Skipper, 1990). Like heavy metal, rap lyrics often express themes of alienation and powerlessness among youth (Epstein et al.). Pop music lyrics address a myriad of themes and include references to sex, violence, drug use, and Satan, or they may contain objectionable language (Gore, 1987; Prinsky & Rosenbaum, 1987). Pop music reaches a larger audience than either heavy metal or rap music does."[/I] In October of 1969 Jimi Hendrix was quoted in a Life Magazine article. He said: [I]"You can hypnotize people with music and when you get them at their weakest point, you can preach into the subconscious what we want to say."[/I] MTV once used as an advertising slogan the phrase "MTV, aggressively reorganizing your brain." Musicians recognize the power they often wield. Blacky Lawless of W.A.S.P was once quoted as having said: [I]"Rock 'n' Roll is an aggressive art form, pure hostility and aggression. I believe in that like a religion."[/I] In their 20th anniversary issue the mouth pieces for the Rolling Stone claimed: [I]"It's not just an exaggeration to say that rebellion is more than just an occasional theme in rock, it is its very heart and soul."[/I] While the manager of the actual Rolling Stones once said: [I]"Rock IS sex. You have to hit teenagers in the face with it!"[/I] How many famous rock and pop musicians have died due to drug and/or alcohol related causes? A partial list includes Brian Jones, Sid Vicious, Dennis Wilson, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, Janice Joplin, Bon Scott, Frankie Lymon, Tim Harden, Phil Lynott, and David Ruffin, who died of an overdose of cocaine. More recent qualifiers would include Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Scott Weiland, and Dave Brockie. Brockie, of the band GWAR, died a heroin overdose. The issue isn't that themes of rock music include glorification of all manner of societal ills. The issue is those most easily influenced by the power of music should be aware of that fact. It goes without saying, or at least it should, that not everyone who listens to raunchy or satanic themed music will fall prey to it. But many will. If I have to be called a name, I can live with that one. Speaking of theme, do you know what that movie was actually about? The metaphor being employed? That isn't the philosophy Crowley espoused. He did not state do what thou wilt as long as it did not harm others. He said, preached, and promoted the philosophy do what thou wilt. There were no qualifiers on that, the stated goal restricted only by personal desire. Crowley has been called the most wicked man to ever live. If only ten percent of what he claimed to have done in pursuit of his carnal desires is actually true, he would still go down in history as an incredibly evil man. Because satanism is free of religious fundamentalism. Satanist have their own bible, their own version of the ten commandments, their own churches, rituals, prayers, and dogma. The primary difference is the majority of it is motivated by hate. From the to the Satanic Bible: [I]"Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates! Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!"[/I] From the book of satan, quote: [I]"Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong!"[/I] The book of lucifer promotes the philosophy of "satanic sex," as well as vengeance for all transgressions. The book of belial covers ritual and magic. The book of Leviathan includes an invocation to satan." Have fun. Another claim I never made. I merely illustrated what occurred as an illustration of the influence. Aleister Crowley was featured on the cover of "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band." I already addressed this once. But again, try the 600 club as a starter. Two words I never used. I know what sources I posted because I posted them. Please support this claim with examples from the direct links I embedded. The answer is yes. But what I believe is far less important to the question than how these people represent themselves. [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntp2IyiA-Q']Kanye West[/URL] admitted to it on video. Rihanna makes her allegiances clear in the uncensored version of her video for the song "Better Have My Money," which I can't link to here due to forum rules. But I can post this: [IMG]http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dejam3.jpg[/IMG] As for Black Sabbath, [URL='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VIt42ZwDrR4/TFrXnDNDNAI/AAAAAAAAD68/NyMw4nt-MaE/s1600/Black+Sabbath++Death+Raiders+Their+Satanic+Majesties+back.jpg']please[/URL]. Here is a challenge for you. Dissect this image: [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wc1-UeOl5_0/UmyOrk9T5UI/AAAAAAAAB1U/_sxHwt_ODzs/s1600/Kanye-West-Yeezus-Album-Download.png[/IMG] Tell us what you believe the imagery is designed to represent. [/QUOTE]
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