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<blockquote data-quote="kimmyh51" data-source="post: 60364755" data-attributes="member: 282837"><p>free will</p><p></p><p>I often wonder the same thing as you - when there are things going on in the world that are clearly wrong I wonder why god doesnt just sort it out</p><p></p><p>and why we are here and have to go through this whole thing (living on earth - not ever seeing god physically, being tempted and deceived by satan, other religons etc etc - whats the point?"</p><p></p><p>Then I think about if I were god (and you can all thank the real god that i am not <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>and if i were going to create a whole universe, animals and mountains, seas, land events etc and finally these little people chappies that looked kinda like me, and acted kinda like me (on a small ungodly scale), Id probably be really curious to see what they migth come up with on their own.</p><p>It would be boring to just create them then control everything</p><p></p><p>id want them to be like a really good (not yet invented) version of the sims with the autonomy level set to high - put them there and leave them for a bit and see what they do</p><p></p><p>and then when they started coming up with all sorts of ideas and inventions - like a proud parent when presented with their kids first meaningless scribble with crayon on paper "art" Id be so fascinated and amused with the little wee things they did all by themselves (i can just see me leaning over some sort of large sandpit type thing going "awwww look they made a wheel - isnt it the cutest little wheel! and I'd wonder how long till they figure out piston engines or the theory of flight (lift = something over something?)</p><p></p><p>In fact when people talk about gods pleasure in us, i cant help but wonder if he does get a bit of a giggle or laugh out of just some of the mad stuff we (humankind) come up with </p><p>what does he think of angry birds for example?</p><p>when a person cracked the first joke, drew the first picture, or prayed the first really weird random question to him - I imagine god smiling down on us and kinda laughing at the things we came up with - the tangents we went off on. I also wonder if god - knowing everything - ever intentionally doesnt look at what we will do - just so we can make him smile with some random thing we invent (I know people say he knows everything that will happen - but he can do anything maybe he can know it and not know it? )</p><p></p><p>Anyway if you think of us as god children, and your own children or if you dont have any - your desires for any you might have - you would probably not want some robot 100% under your control. But would want the laughter and joy that comes from seeing your children grow into their own totally unique people. And would laugh, smile or just be touched when seeing the weird, strange, funny, caring, or whatever else, ideas that come into their heads then get put into action in their own way.</p><p></p><p>Given god is perfect. If imperfect humans can on the whole want their kids to grow and develop into their own people - even though some people may slip up and end up trying to run something in their kids lives, they usually still genuinely desire their kids to grow up as their own people. </p><p>So if god is perfect where we are not - how much more is he wanting to see us become the individuals we were created to be, and make the decisions we want to as part of that. And as god - how much more patient, forgiving and tolerant is he than a human could be, when we completely c--k it up?</p><p></p><p>Its just my opinion - but i think thats why god doesnt put a hand in and run things.</p><p>Though in my own individual life - he will definately put a hand in and sort things out for me, if I ask him to. And where if I asked my human parents to do stuff for me as often as I do god they would consider disowning me - god seems to actually enjoy and thrive on me asking him to help me in everything - even petty stuff like finding my car keys - he never gets grumpy or says <em><em>'oh would you just sort it out yourself! I'm tired of dealing with your eternally lost car keys - hang them up or get a spare set!!'</em></em> (<--- thats what I know my human dad would say - i can almost hear his voice saying it now lol)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kimmyh51, post: 60364755, member: 282837"] free will I often wonder the same thing as you - when there are things going on in the world that are clearly wrong I wonder why god doesnt just sort it out and why we are here and have to go through this whole thing (living on earth - not ever seeing god physically, being tempted and deceived by satan, other religons etc etc - whats the point?" Then I think about if I were god (and you can all thank the real god that i am not :) and if i were going to create a whole universe, animals and mountains, seas, land events etc and finally these little people chappies that looked kinda like me, and acted kinda like me (on a small ungodly scale), Id probably be really curious to see what they migth come up with on their own. It would be boring to just create them then control everything id want them to be like a really good (not yet invented) version of the sims with the autonomy level set to high - put them there and leave them for a bit and see what they do and then when they started coming up with all sorts of ideas and inventions - like a proud parent when presented with their kids first meaningless scribble with crayon on paper "art" Id be so fascinated and amused with the little wee things they did all by themselves (i can just see me leaning over some sort of large sandpit type thing going "awwww look they made a wheel - isnt it the cutest little wheel! and I'd wonder how long till they figure out piston engines or the theory of flight (lift = something over something?) In fact when people talk about gods pleasure in us, i cant help but wonder if he does get a bit of a giggle or laugh out of just some of the mad stuff we (humankind) come up with what does he think of angry birds for example? when a person cracked the first joke, drew the first picture, or prayed the first really weird random question to him - I imagine god smiling down on us and kinda laughing at the things we came up with - the tangents we went off on. I also wonder if god - knowing everything - ever intentionally doesnt look at what we will do - just so we can make him smile with some random thing we invent (I know people say he knows everything that will happen - but he can do anything maybe he can know it and not know it? ) Anyway if you think of us as god children, and your own children or if you dont have any - your desires for any you might have - you would probably not want some robot 100% under your control. But would want the laughter and joy that comes from seeing your children grow into their own totally unique people. And would laugh, smile or just be touched when seeing the weird, strange, funny, caring, or whatever else, ideas that come into their heads then get put into action in their own way. Given god is perfect. If imperfect humans can on the whole want their kids to grow and develop into their own people - even though some people may slip up and end up trying to run something in their kids lives, they usually still genuinely desire their kids to grow up as their own people. So if god is perfect where we are not - how much more is he wanting to see us become the individuals we were created to be, and make the decisions we want to as part of that. And as god - how much more patient, forgiving and tolerant is he than a human could be, when we completely c--k it up? Its just my opinion - but i think thats why god doesnt put a hand in and run things. Though in my own individual life - he will definately put a hand in and sort things out for me, if I ask him to. And where if I asked my human parents to do stuff for me as often as I do god they would consider disowning me - god seems to actually enjoy and thrive on me asking him to help me in everything - even petty stuff like finding my car keys - he never gets grumpy or says [I][I]'oh would you just sort it out yourself! I'm tired of dealing with your eternally lost car keys - hang them up or get a spare set!!'[/I][/I] (<--- thats what I know my human dad would say - i can almost hear his voice saying it now lol) [/QUOTE]
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