Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Senod2]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

 

[Albion]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

But the Bible isn't literal on that point, referring to the Earth, as it does in one passage, as a sphere.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

...and what you're saying is the reason most Christians have come to believe in (theistic) evolution.

The theory of evolution was originally seen as rejecting the possibility of God creating by an act of His will, but if we see Him as having created the laws of the universe and setting them into operation, which in turn resulted in the creation of all that exists in the physical universe...

then evolution is credible and not opposed to Genesis.

 

[Senod2]

But the Bible isn't literal on that point, referring to the Earth, as it does in one passage, as a sphere.


...and what you're saying is the reason most Christians have come to believe in (theistic) evolution.

The theory of evolution was originally seen as rejecting the possibility of God creating by an act of His will, but if we see Him as having created the laws of the universe and setting them into operation, which in turn resulted in the creation of all that exists in the physical universe...

then evolution is credible and not opposed to Genesis.

No no. I dont mean theistic evolution. Theism has nothing at all with what men finds to be scientific. I mean there are two parallels. We cannot understand how god did what he did, thats the idea of allegory. We can only understand the meaning in it. But we do know that god created the earth and everything in it. Its like you read philosophy, it doesnt explain the details, but it is true. Thats more or less this case what allegory is a deeper meaning. So no i wont try to use science to explain origin of life because one misses the point is that its not ment too. But one can discover stuff and explain how life works with science, but people miss the point when they read the creation story as a scientific view of our world. Thats where people are wrong i think. It is true, but not in the way you think it is, but it is indeed true and is how god shows his majesty more or less.

 

[Julie.S]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

Not all Christians believe the Creation story. I believe in Evolution.

 

[pgp_protector]

I've got no problem accepting the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation on how we got the diversity of life on this planet.

 

[Senod2]

Not all Christians believe the Creation story. I believe in Evolution.

Thats wrong though. What i mean is that Jesus says in John. If you do not believe what Moses wrote then how can you believe in my words?. So i dont think its smart to deny or say its not true, since traditionally the first 5 books of the bible is written by Moses according to traditions. It is true, but just in another perspective in terms of Creation etc. Its just to more or less make the irreligious people understand that there is no error, they just dont understand it. Thats the problem more or less.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Evolution is something that I just haven't been convinced as being valid. I 100% agree with micro evolution but not macro evolution. As for what the bible says; the Bible is not a science book, it never tells us how God created and made things, just that He did do it. However, I do believe the Bible gives us hints at a sort of timeline, all-be-it in a very general way. I have rejected the traditional 6,000 year creation story that most christians have been taught and believed for centuries. I believe in the "gap theory" of Genesis 1.

 

[Julie.S]

Thats wrong though. What i mean is that Jesus says in John. If you do not believe what Moses wrote then how can you believe in my words?. So i dont think its smart to deny or say its not true, since traditionally the first 5 books of the bible is written by Moses according to traditions. It is true, but just in another perspective in terms of Creation etc. Its just to more or less make the irreligious people understand that there is no error, they just dont understand it. Thats the problem more or less.

I never said Creation was not true. I just don't believe in it like some others do this was how I was raised and what I believe personally. Of course I have not elaborated on it more.

 

[Hieronymus]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Maybe, but the main problem is that there's no evidence to support the idea of development of specialistic traits (like organs and systems of organs) but just selecting random mutations.
In other words, peer pressure and popular consensus is not enough for everyone to accept an impossible idea.

 

[Hieronymus]

I've got no problem accepting the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation on how we got the diversity of life on this planet.

But it isn't the best explanation, at all...

 

[nephilimiyr]

But it isn't the best explanation, at all...

I would say that the theory is probably the most tested, by far. Whether it's the best explanation, I agree with you.

 

[AGTG]

Because the idea of evolution flies directly in the face of plain, scriptural truth. The animals were created "after their own kind," not as a long chain of creatures coming forth from other creatures.

 

[Hoghead1]

Yes, it certainly does, AGTG. And I take that to mean Scripture was not intended to be an accurate geophysical or scientific witness.

 

[PapaZoom]

There are a multitude of reasons one might not accept evolution as the best explanation for "creation." I don't think natural selection acting on random mutations is the best explanation. Others will have different objections.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Yes, it certainly does, AGTG. And I take that to mean Scripture was not intended to be an accurate geophysical or scientific witness.

I don't think you understand what AGTG was saying. HE/she was not professing the Bible as a geophysical or scientific witness but mearly pointing out that if the Bible states a certainty, such as, God created animals after their own kind, then that is what can be believed as a fact, a certainty.

 

[Noxot]

I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?

Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?

What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.

So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.

So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?

Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.

But i am curious to what you think?

yeah I find little reason to be so stubborn and keep thinking the bible is a literal account of the universe. many many christians suffer from accepting the mere fleshly outer wrappings of the bible and forget the spirit which is the life of it. I understand the need to stand up for what is true regardless of what everyone else says is true but I find that reality is even more amazing, mysterious, and perplexing in thinking that evolution is true and that the universe is pretty old. I am always willing to accept new theories as human knowledge increases but I now lean towards a lot of what the modern world has figured out.

I don't let my guard down but I also don't shut myself off from everything when there is so much more goodness that i could be blessed with by God.

Jas 1:16-18 (YLT)
Be not led astray, my brethren beloved; every good giving, and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the lights, with whom is no variation, or shadow of turning; having counselled, He did beget us with a word of truth, for our being a certain first-fruit of His creatures.

1Cor 3:21-23 (YLT)
So then, let no one glory in men, for all things are yours, whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things about to be--all are yours, and ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

Acts 17:24-28 (YLT)
`God, who did make the world, and all things in it, this One, of heaven and of earth being Lord, in temples made with hands doth not dwell, neither by the hands of men is He served--needing anything, He giving to all life, and breath, and all things; He made also of one blood every nation of men, to dwell upon all the face of the earth--having ordained times before appointed, and the bounds of their dwellings-- to seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, --though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us, for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.

and you know what? the more we learn about our physical universe the more ways we can understand God since this universe is a kind of vision of the glory of God. this universe is part of Gods language, the Lord speaks to us in all kinds of ways! he will find ways to reach those who seek him. there is no end to the ways of God.

I think a key thing to understand about our universe is that there are higher realities at work upon it. God is alive and is an infinite mind but as one saint said "the Father contemplates the seeds of things". there is not only God, there is also all of his minds that he made, our souls/spirits.

Job 38:7 (YLT)
In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy,

Gen 1:26 (YLT)
And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.'

I think gen is talking here about human flesh and how the higher parts of ourselves are to rule over the lower. we humans in the natural have also done the same thing for the most part which is a relationship of contemplation and communion with God, the outer reflecting the inner conditions of ourselves, though we are all at various stages of development.

we are literally still in the process of creation! it's exciting.

 

[Noxot]

There are a multitude of reasons one might not accept evolution as the best explanation for "creation." I don't think natural selection acting on random mutations is the best explanation. Others will have different objections.

killing babies is a moral issue and this only proves that those who do not hold humans in high regard and only believe in the natural will do horrible things in the name of science, which is never going to be enough to understand Gods eternal love. most of the time abortions happen because people have some kind of evil in themselves. i have literally heard some say that abortions are okay because the baby does not have nerves to feel pain yet...

people who believe in God will, if they are truly walking with Christ, have a higher way of conducting themselves in the world than science alone could ever afford anyone. but even respect for life or human beings in general, and having decent standards to have responsibility for your actions n this world would stop peoples nihilistic actions such as abortions in this world. not to mention that two wrongs don't make a right. people who are baring the cross of Christ will suffer evils rather than to commit more evils.

without God man tends to lean towards nihilism or tyranny

 

[Hieronymus]

I would say that the theory is probably the most tested, by far.

That's just their bluff.
You can not test speciation over millions of years.
The fossil record doesn't help the idea either.

 

[Noxot]

well certainly science has it's limits. like in order to figure out some things that happened with the big bang we have to create some crazy number amount of times more heat than we currently can. the number is something like 20,000. it's totally impossible. not to mention we might accidentally destroy ourselves with such testings.

 

[Noxot]

some people can be extremely stubborn. like the flat earthers. they literally have to believe that every single photo of the spherical earth is photoshopped. it is completely irrational.