White House: Ebola under control

[YeShallTread]

IMHO, you are quite ill-informed about the wide range of missions "combat" units participate in. That isn't to minimize the risk, but I'd pick Ebola duty for my kid over "Operation (insert name of country) Freedom" for two reasons: First it's a mission worth something to people and, second, it is safer.

Okay...send your kid. I want the others to steer clear of that place. The mission worth something for soldiers to do is what they are trained for....to KILL ISIS and others of their ilk!

The 101st Airborne comprise only 17.5% of the contigent. I have a close friend that spent his career in Army deployments that included many "noncombat" operations. As you may (or, likely may not) know, Liberia is was short on healthcare infrastructure on which to provide services. As you also may (or likely may not) know, the US has had a sizeable military and "diplomatic" presence in Africa for some time.

Then there should be no need to send others.

Overall, nearly 4,000 troops are expected to deploy in support of the effort. Officials said the U.S. troops will not be involved in direct patient care of the local population.

Really? How can that be avoided? You do know they are being trained on how to put on all the gear? If not being in direct care or if cleaning up or moving them...why go to the effort. You ARE DREAMING!

Instead, they will provide care to Department of Defense, U.S. government and nongovernmental agency workers.
Other soldiers will focus on four other lines of effort, including command and control, logistical support, training and engineering support by building clinics, labs, runways and other infrastructure.
Soldiers from at least seven units - ranging from small detachments to battalion-sized units - have been put on alert to possibly deploy, officials said.
Airmen at Fort Bragg's Pope Field also are preparing to deploy.
The 43rd Aeromedical Evacuation Squadron and 3rd Aerial Port Squadron are each expected to send elements over the next month, according to the 43rd Airlift Group.
The aeromedical evacuation liaison team will help coordinate patient movements, while the aerial port team will support passenger and cargo movements by providing inspections, planning and manifesting.

Oh my...coordinate patient movements but not be in contact. Magic operation going on. Thousands of soldiers deployed and yet they will not come in contact with the population. Again...you are dreaming and that is a mother's nightmare.

The Fort Bragg soldiers preparing for a deployment fall under the 18th Airborne Corps and include elements of the 44th Medical Brigade, which could send medics; the 82nd Sustainment Brigade, which could send soldiers to help coordinate supply lines; the 16th Military Police Brigade, which could provide security for U.S. forces; and the 20th Engineer Brigade, which could send a company of soldiers to help improve and maintain runways in the affected countries.

Then just send "elements of the 44th brigade" to what could be their deaths and don't send soldiers ill equipped for the mission...and one they didn't ask for, didn't sign up for and I don't blame them!

You will be even more horrified to learn that the U.S. Marines, fresh from storming Guadalcanal (just kidding) are involved in the Ebola effort:

SPMAGTF-CR-AF is a rapid response force able to conduct missions ranging from U.S. Embassy reinforcement, humanitarian assistance, disaster relief operations, and other missions as directed in order to protect U.S. personnel and interests throughout the U.S. Africa Command area of responsibility.

Not at all surprised as Obama is good at idiotic missions. Disaster relief shouldn't jeopardize Americans unnecessarily...as that mission does. If Americans aren't there then who would they have to protect? Get out of Dodge! Train workers to take care of their own...help financially but do not send our men.

 

[cow451]

Okay...send your kid. I want the others to steer clear of that place. The mission worth something for soldiers to do is what they are trained for....to KILL ISIS and others of their ilk!

You cannot have it both ways. The US has a big investment in containing Islamic extremists that are operating in Africa. Due to the number of military and diplomatic operations on the continent, humanitarian issues cannot be avoided. You want to keep ISIS "over there", then military and diplomatic missions are necessary. Same deal with Ebola. Help fight it there to contain the spread.

Some of this discussion is philosophical difference and some is your apparent naivity. Obama isn't acting much differently than most US Presidents would. One might argue that, with regard to this mission, he is more reserved than a GOP President.

That said, I think we both made our points.

 

[katsung47]

It’s all scripted! Ebola outbreak and impossibly rapid vaccine response clearly scripted; U.S. govt. patented Ebola in 2010 and now owns all victims’ blood
September 21, 2014

The United States government now owns the patent on Ebola

This plot gets even more interesting when you realize that a patent on Ebola was awarded to the United States government just four years ago, in 2010.

That patent, number CA2741523A1, is available here.

Astonishingly, the patent claims U.S. government ownership over all variants of Ebola which share 70% or more of the protein sequences described in the patent: “[CLAIMS] …a nucleotide sequence of at least 70%-99% identity to the SEQ ID…”

It's all scripted! Ebola outbreak and impossibly rapid vaccine response clearly scripted; U.S. govt. patented Ebola in 2010 and now owns all victims' blood - Intellihub.com#!

 

[Vylo]

The US government does not own ebola patient's blood.......

 

[elliott95]

I think that is the American way but...I do not agree with sending our troops there. They are not medical workers...they are soldiers. As someone said recently, "I didn't know you could shoot Ebola." We won't send them where soldiers are needed but send them in harm's way to accomplish things they are unequipped to do.

To use Obama's example against Isis...we will equip and train their soldiers to fight their battles. (which has been shown ineffective and dangerous as the equipment often ends up being used against us).

Use that same principle against Ebola and I believe it would work. We can train them to take care of their own...not infect our own in order to save them.

Sending in troops to fight ebola is taking the 'war on ebola' metaphors way, way too literally.

This is a job for trained medical staff, and medical educators, to bring their knowledge about the way that the disease is spread to West Africa, in order that such practices as the preparation of the dead are performed in ways that will not spread the disease.

 

[2theBone]

Some only wear tinfoil hats......and some wear, cherish and polish them.



On this thread we encounter a dedication and embrace of unreality that is pretty much unique to this tiny and hysterical American subculture.

I hope the historians are copying this wonderful snapshot of profound dysfunction to preserve for posterity.

 

[Armoured]

Without knowing exactly who is being sent, you do realise that soldier may be something other than rifle toting light infantry, right?

Doctors, nurses and medics, even CBRN specialists could all be helpful, and also be classed as "soldiers". And even light infantry can do "grunt" work, like building emergency hospitals and aid to the civil power. If you need a large number of disciplined all rounders on short notice to do something with a level of risk attached to it, who ya gonna call?

 

[2theBone]

Sad part is.......thousands of lives in Africa could have been spared but for ignorant right-wing Neanderthals--the same Neanderthals who now use the Ebola "threat" to terrorize naive American religious xenophobes.

“I remain concerned that we don’t see sufficient seriousness on the part of the federal government about protecting the American public,” says Texas Senator Ted Cruz, speaking about the Ebola virus. But Cruz’s own government shutdown and Republican-led budget cuts caused the National Institutes of Health to delay clinical trials that, according to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the NIH, would probably have produced an Ebola vaccine by now. Similar budget cuts have forced the Center for Disease Control to reduce its disease outbreak detection program. What Cruz and his fellow rightwing travelers don’t get is America cannot protect the public’s health on the cheap.

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/the...how_anti_government_mania_is_harming_america/

 

[wing2000]

Disaster relief shouldn't jeopardize Americans unnecessarily...as that mission does. If Americans aren't there then who would they have to protect? Get out of Dodge! Train workers to take care of their own...help financially but do not send our men.

1 person has died in this country.

Thousands have died in countries that are ill equipped to deal with the issue.

Your moral courage is noted.

 

[USincognito]

I think that is the American way but...I do not agree with sending our troops there. They are not medical workers...they are soldiers. As someone said recently, "I didn't know you could shoot Ebola."

That person is an idiot. The troops being sent are primarily engineers who will be building facilities to help combat Ebola. They are not being deployed to treat patients.

 

[USincognito]

An internet search shows us....

101st Airborne soldiers gear up to fight Ebola outbreak.


An internet search of the duties of the 101st Airborne division shows us...

The first result is the title of an article that appears in USA Today. In the body of that article there is a paragraph that describes the types of troopers who are being deployed.
101st Airborne soldiers gear up to fight Ebola outbreak

The soldiers, with specialties in areas such as combat hospitals, aviation, logistics, transportation and engineering, will not be providing direct treatment or having contact with Ebola patients, so the risk is considered to be low, said Lt. Col. Brian DeSantis, the 101st Airborne's spokesman.​

 

[Nithavela]

Okay...send your kid. I want the others to steer clear of that place. The mission worth something for soldiers to do is what they are trained for....to KILL ISIS and others of their ilk!

Yeah, killing is better than saving lives!

What do you mean with "their ilk", by the way? Muslims in general, or just those you don't like?

 

[USincognito]

The United States government now owns the patent on Ebola

Ebola is a genus, not a species.

The patent is on Bundibugyo ebolavirus, not on Ebola virus which is responsible for the current outbreak.

The patent, held by the CDC is to prevent any companies from profiteering from a vaccine.

 

[YeShallTread]

You cannot have it both ways. The US has a big investment in containing Islamic extremists that are operating in Africa. Due to the number of military and diplomatic operations on the continent, humanitarian issues cannot be avoided. You want to keep ISIS "over there", then military and diplomatic missions are necessary. Same deal with Ebola. Help fight it there to contain the spread.

I don't think "humanitarian issues" should be avoided. We should help.

I don't think we should send our soldiers to offer this type of help. Nor do I think our doctors, nurses, etc. should go there. Send medicine, send information and send financial aid and allow them to help themselves. Unless they are fools with no abilities they can build their own hospitals, nurse their own people with the above help.

I do appreciate your putting this in the terms stated above. Yes, we do have military operations there and that is a consideration. Nevertheless, that, I believe, is a far cry from sending the 101st in this Ebola effort.

Yes, I want to keep ISIS there...preferably dead.
Yes, I want to keep Ebola there...let them fight it there and keep them from coming here. Use the soldiers to guard our borders to assure us that it does so.

Some of this discussion is philosophical difference and some is your apparent naivity. Obama isn't acting much differently than most US Presidents would. One might argue that, with regard to this mission, he is more reserved than a GOP President.

That said, I think we both made our points.

Perhaps I am being naive or...perhaps those so willing to send our men into a situation they don't belong, didn't sign up for, are not trained for...need to rethink just where the soldiers need to be.

 

[Armoured]

Perhaps I am being naive or...perhaps those so willing to send our men into a situation they don't belong, didn't sign up for, are not trained for...need to rethink just where the soldiers need to be.

They are trained for it. That's why they're sending them.

 

[YeShallTread]

Without knowing exactly who is being sent, you do realise that soldier may be something other than rifle toting light infantry, right?

Doctors, nurses and medics, even CBRN specialists could all be helpful, and also be classed as "soldiers". And even light infantry can do "grunt" work, like building emergency hospitals and aid to the civil power. If you need a large number of disciplined all rounders on short notice to do something with a level of risk attached to it, who ya gonna call?

Have ye not read?

Please see post #101...which concerns the 101st Airborne (odd how that happened) for it tells you who is being sent.

Yes, soldiers could include medical staff. Are they the 101st? Are they the SOLDIERS being sent that have to be trained on how to put on the protective gear? I don't think so.

The "grunt work" can and SHOULD be done by their own grunts. Our "grunts" signed up by pledging the Oath of Allegiance:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.



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[Armoured]

Have ye not read?

Please see post #101...which concerns the 101st Airborne (odd how that happened) for it tells you who is being sent.

Yes, soldiers could include medical staff. Are they the 101st? Are they the SOLDIERS being sent that have to be trained on how to put on the protective gear? I don't think so.

The "grunt work" can and SHOULD be done by their own grunts. Our "grunts" signed up by pledging the Oath of Allegiance:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.



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I imagine the 101st airborne are proficient at putting on CBRN gear. It has further been explained that they'll be doing logistics and pioneer (that's "trade" to a civilian) work, not dealing "hands on" with any sick people. Not sure what part of the oath you think precludes them from international humanitarian intervention.

As to "their own grunts", apparently they are neither well enough equipped or trained to handle the situation, otherwise the outbreak wouldn't have progressed as far as it has in the first place.

 

[YeShallTread]

I imagine the 101st airborne are proficient at putting on CBRN gear. It has further been explained that they'll be doing logistics and pioneer (that's "trade" to a civilian) work, not dealing "hands on" with any sick people. Not sure what part of the oath you think precludes them from international humanitarian intervention.

That too has been addressed. Please consider...here we are worried about coming in contact with the virus. Will a sick person touch a shopping cart, the handle on the gas pumps, the pen at the bank. A myriad of opportunities are there for an infected person to spread the disease without knowing it is being done or knowing it as did Duncan, the man that just died. The one touching said items then spreads it to his family/friends/acquaintances. The same thing here applies to the country that is CRAWLING with the virus. Not coming in contact with a sick person means much more than holding his hand while he throws up.


"International humanitarian intervention" would be to send aid, send equipment and send finances, send information, send medication. Not place our men in a hotbed of infection and death. Soldiers are to fight enemies. If we can't put "boots on the ground" to fight Isis why should we put boots on the ground to fight Ebola? Their boots belong on our borders and their service is to carry arms against our enemies. You can't shoot Ebola...you can shoot Isis. Why place our men against an enemy that can't be seen? It is forced suicide.

Those that think it should be done...go on over...be my guest but don't come back until you've been quarantined over there!

As to "their own grunts", apparently they are neither well enough equipped or trained to handle the situation, otherwise the outbreak wouldn't have progressed as far as it has in the first place.

Give them the equipment and the training...do not give them our men.

 

[YeShallTread]

Yeah, killing is better than saving lives!

We are in agreement. Killing the enemy is MUCH, MUCH better than losing American lives. Well said!

What do you mean with "their ilk", by the way? Muslims in general, or just those you don't like?

Actually, my words were "killing Isis and those of their ilk." Need I explain that? Well, perhaps I should. I do not like Muslims and there is a reason for that. I want all of them to go back to their native land and stay there...forever!

However, as I know the toothpaste can't go back into the tube....my wish is that all Muslims coming to this country come in the hopes of becoming an American with American ideals and love of America. Is that too much to ask? Or should we continue allowing more buildings of mosques where hatred of America is preached as they spread like cancer over the land...here and abroad.


No. I do not like Muslims that come here and hate America. The "ilk" of Isis that I want killed are those that plot against us.

 

[YeShallTread]

Interesting item about Ebola in America from Bill O'Reilly.

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“He knows that I know he’s not being candid, that he is spinning the situation and not being forthcoming about how the disease is being spread. Frieden should resign.”
Bill O'Reilly called Tom Frieden the “chief propagandist” and demanded he resign from his position as CDC director. Watch the entire Talking Points Memo: O'Reilly Calls for Resignation of 'Chief Propagandist' CDC Director Tom Frieden | Fox News Insider

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