When did the church which is Christ's body begin? Study series lesson#2 The Kingdom at hand, and then the offer! (Revised)

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Christ came to confirm the covenants and promises made to the fathers of Israel; as seen from the references below, it was with the purpose for Israel to be to be a light to the gentiles in God’s Kingdom (Rom.15:8-9; cp.Lk.2:32). The order of events in the prophetic timeline of God purposes are that Israel was to be saved first, and then through them, God would channel His blessing out to the rest of the world (Isa.60; Jn.4:22; Acts 3:25-26).

This is why when Christ came here His ministry was exclusively to the nation (Acts.5:31).He told the disciples not to go into any of the cites of the Samaritans, or the way of the gentiles (Mt.10:5), and when the gentile woman approached Christ he said to her I have not come but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, it is not right to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs, let the children “first” be filled (Mt.15:26; Mk.7:27;cp. Acts.3:25-26 ); while he did honor her faith, we must understand the reason for His attitude and not minimize it.



When Christ came on the scene in fulfillment of Daniel 70 week prophecy, to redeem the nation from their sin, and from their gentile enemies (Lk.1:71-78), the Kingdom was indeed at hand in the person of the king, the members of the nation were called to a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, in order to prepare themselves for the day of the Lord judgments where the Messiah would establish the Kingdom(Mk.1:4;Mt.3:8-12).



When we look at some of the characteristics of when the Lord commissions the 12 disciples; He tells them to not go into the way of the gentiles, or any city the Samaritans, he tells them preach the Kingdom of heaven is that hand, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons… (Mt.10:5-10). Now we must understand that these instructions of Christ to the 12, are specifically to Israel, because under the blessings of the old covenant the nation of Israel was to be free from all diseases (Ex.15:26; 23:25-28) but if they broke the law, sickness would come upon them (Jn.5:14-15). Also, when God made the covenant with Israel, He called heaven as a witness to the blessings and cures of the covenant (Deut. 30:19), and we know that when people broke Gods commandments in the O. T. God would allow the evils spirits in the heavens to execute His judgments, this is why sickness is so closely associated with demonic possession in the narrative of the prophetic program in Gods dealings with Israel (1 Kings 22:19-22; cp. Mt.4:24; 8:16).

So, these were the signs to Israel that the Kingdom was indeed a hand, the nation had the responsibility to receive the Christ by faith. Christ was weaking satans kingdom before He would establish God's (Mt.12:25-29). Also note that the resurrection of the dead also relates to the Kingdom, being that in the Kingdom there will be a resurrection, along with the demons and the devil being locked away.

When John the Baptist was in jail he sent his disciples to question if Jesus was the one that they were waiting for, and Jesus quoted from Isaiah telling them that the lame are healed, and the sick are healed, the deaf can hear, and the blind can see, when we look at this quote from Isaiah we see that the context of the chapter is talking about a universal restoration where desert lands will be turned into paradise(Mt.11:4-5;Isa. 35:1-7). This is why in Hebrews it speaks about these powers from on high, as being the powers of the age to come, the signs of the Kingdom (Heb.2:4; 6:5).



Once Israel repented, they were to be missionaries to the gentile world (Zech.8:20-23; Isa. 66 :19) but we know that the nation rejected and crucified the Messiah. But when he was on the cross, he prayed to the father to forgive them for they know not what they do, here he is praying that they be spared of the national judgment of the tribulation. So, during the early acts period, the nation of Israel is then offered the Kingdom, for it was necessary first for Christ to suffer, for the nation to be forgiven of their sin of breaking the old covenant, it is through the death of Christ (Jer.31:31-40). So now once He died and was risen, it was time for them to receive the Kingdom, and this is what Peter tells them, he says if they repent Christ would be sent back to them and would establish the Kingdom (Acts.3:17-21).

Here we are establishing context following it till we come to the call of the body, then we will find our doctrine. But notice when we get to the post-Acts ministry, Paul's gift of healing is no longer (1Tim.5:23; 2 Tim.4:20); as it was during the Acts period (Acts.19:12), this because health, and the longevity of life, is not a characteristic of the current age of Christ's body, as it is with Israels kingdom age (Isa.65:20). And certainly, when we have a cold, or get a sickness does it mean demonic possession, of course not!, for the Spirit of God lives within us, but when we understand Israels place in scripture and the doctrine that pertains to them and His heavenly Kingdom on earth, apart from the doctrine that is for us today, the Church which is Christs body, things will begin to make sense.
 
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Christ came to confirm the covenants and promises made to the fathers of Israel; as seen from the references below, it was with the purpose for Israel to be to be a light to the gentiles in God’s Kingdom (Rom.15:8-9; cp.Lk.2:32). The order of events in the prophetic timeline of God purposes are that Israel was to be saved first, and then through them, God would channel His blessing out to the rest of the world (Isa.60; Jn.4:22; Acts 3:25-26).

This is why when Christ came here His ministry was exclusively to the nation (Acts.5:31).He told the disciples not to go into any of the cites of the Samaritans, or the way of the gentiles (Mt.10:5), and when the gentile woman approached Christ he said to her I have not come but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, it is not right to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs, let the children “first” be filled (Mt.15:26; Mk.7:27;cp. Acts.3:25-26 ); while he did honor her faith, we must understand the reason for His attitude and not minimize it.



When Christ came on the scene in fulfillment of Daniel 70 week prophecy, to redeem the nation from their sin, and from their gentile enemies (Lk.1:71-78), the Kingdom was indeed at hand in the person of the king, the members of the nation were called to a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, in order to prepare themselves for the day of the Lord judgments where the Messiah would establish the Kingdom(Mk.1:4;Mt.3:8-12).



When we look at some of the characteristics of when the Lord commissions the 12 disciples; He tells them to not go into the way of the gentiles, or any city the Samaritans, he tells them preach the Kingdom of heaven is that hand, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons… (Mt.10:5-10). Now we must understand that these instructions of Christ to the 12, are specifically to Israel, because under the blessings of the old covenant the nation of Israel was to be free from all diseases (Ex.15:26; 23:25-28) but if they broke the law, sickness would come upon them (Jn.5:14-15). Also, when God made the covenant with Israel, He called heaven as a witness to the blessings and cures of the covenant (Deut. 30:19), and we know that when people broke Gods commandments in the O. T. God would allow the evils spirits in the heavens to execute His judgments, this is why sickness is so closely associated with demonic possession in the narrative of the prophetic program in Gods dealings with Israel (1 Kings 22:19-22; cp.Mt.8:16).

so, these were the signs to Israel that the Kingdom was indeed a hand, the nation had the responsibility to receive the Christ by faith. Christ was weaking satans kingdom before he establishes His (Mt.12:25-29). Also note that the resurrection of the dead also relates to the Kingdom, being that in the Kingdom there will be a resurrection, along with the demons and the devil being locked away.

When John the Baptist was in jail he sent his disciples to question if Jesus was the one that they were waiting for, and Jesus quoted from Isaiah telling them that the lame are healed, and the sick are healed, the deaf can hear, and the blind can see, when we look at this quote from Isaiah we see that the context of the chapter is talking about a universal restoration where desert lands will be turned into paradise(Mt.11:4-5;Isa. 35:1-7). This is why in Hebrews it speaks about these powers from on high, as being the powers of the age to come, the signs of the Kingdom (Heb.2:4; 6:5).



Once Israel repented, they were to be missionaries to the gentile world (Zech.8:20-23; Isa. 66 :19) but we know that the nation rejected and crucified the Messiah. But when he was on the cross, he prayed to the father to forgive them for they know not what they do, here he is praying that they be spared of the national judgment of the tribulation. So, during the early acts period, the nation of Israel is then offered the Kingdom, for it was necessary first for Christ to suffer, for the nation to be forgiven of their sin of breaking the old covenant, it is through the death of Christ (Jer.31:31-40). So now once He died and was risen, it was time for them to receive the Kingdom, and this is what Peter tells them, he says if they repent Christ would be sent back to them and would establish the Kingdom (Acts.3:17-21).

Here we are establishing context following it till we come to the call of the body, then we will find our doctrine. But notice when we get to the post-Acts ministry, Paul's gift of healing is no longer (1Tim.5:23; 2 Tim.4:20); as it was during the Acts period (Acts.19:12), this because health, and the longevity of life, is not a characteristic of the current age of Christ's body, as it is with Israels kingdom age (Isa.65:20). And certainly, when we have a cold, or get a sickness does it mean demonic possession, of course not!, for the Spirit of God lives within us, but when we understand Israels place in scripture and the doctrine that pertains to them and His heavenly Kingdom on earth, apart from the doctrine that is for us today, the Church which is Christs body, things will begin to make sense.
There isn't one doctrine for the Jews and another doctrine for others .... God shows no partiality.

Romans 2:11
Berean Literal Bible
For there is no partiality with God.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God, showing no partiality and accepting no bribe.

Why the Jews first? The commission of the early Jews was to preach the gospel to all people .... God's house was always intended to be for all people ..... the Jews of the day had turned it into an ethnic thing .... the Gospel was was preached to them first giving them an opportunity to change .... some did ... the stiffed necked clergy of the day did not .... so the responsibility of getting the gospel out was given to the gentiles. The Lord took down the Jewish temple system because they trusted in a system and not what the system was about ... of which was Jesus.


Matthew 23 is a good read.
 
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There isn't one doctrine for the Jews and another doctrine for others .... God shows no partiality.

Romans 2:11
Berean Literal Bible
For there is no partiality with God.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God, showing no partiality and accepting no bribe.

Why the Jews first? The commission of the early Jews was to preach the gospel to all people .... God's house was always intended to be for all people ..... the Jews of the day had turned it into an ethnic thing .... the Gospel was was preached to them first giving them an opportunity to change .... some did ... the stiffed necked clergy of the day did not .... so the responsibility of getting the gospel out was given to the gentiles. The Lord took down the Jewish temple system because they trusted in a system and not what the system was about ... of which was Jesus.


Matthew 23 is a good read.
We are goanna get to when the inclusion of the gentiles takes place and the details in the study, but see what the scriptures say, the problem is, we want to take all scripture and make it refer to the church the body of Christ, but we must understand when he was dealing with Israels Kingdom, the promises, hopes, and instructions are different, and confusing them, with what is given to us for today through the apostle Paul after acts 28 while in prison, are a result of the wiles of Satan to through us off from what Gods wants us to do.
 
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We are goanna get to when the inclusion of the gentiles takes place and the details in the study, but see what the scriptures say, the problem is, we want to take all scripture and make it refer to the church the body of Christ, but we must understand when he was dealing with Israels Kingdom, the promises, hopes, and instructions are different, and confusing them, with what is given to us for today through the apostle Paul after acts 28 while in prison, are a result of the wiles of Satan to through us off from what Gods wants us to do.
All the promises are Yes and Amen in Him.

Same God throughout the history of mankind and He doesn't change ... not different instructions for some and not others .... God is not racist.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

What is the connection of Abraham to Jesus?

Almighty God appeared to Abram (before renaming him Abraham) and spoke to him about his future seed (descendants). And in the New Testament Paul explains that all believers through Christ are Abraham's seed, and therefore are God's children and heirs. The old covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Jesus Christ ... not through a specific nation but through a seed ... the new covenant is the old covenant "renewed" (not something different) .... better because Jesus fulfilled it.

Pretty simple what God wants us to do ..... turn away from sin (just as it has always been) .... spread the gospel about Him in that through Him one might be saved.

Sons through Faith in Christ - the good news

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

The seed promised in Genesis - and that seed (of the woman) is Christ.

Genesis 3:15

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.

Mankind has and will always struggle with sin (seed of the serpent) ..... until He returns. I so look forward to that day!

Thank you Jesus! AMEN!!
 
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All the promises are Yes and Amen in Him.

Same God throughout the history of mankind and He doesn't change ... not different instructions for some and not others .... God is not racist.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

What is the connection of Abraham to Jesus?

Almighty God appeared to Abram (before renaming him Abraham) and spoke to him about his future seed (descendants). And in the New Testament Paul explains that all believers through Christ are Abraham's seed, and therefore are God's children and heirs. The old covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Jesus Christ ... not through a specific nation but through a seed ... the new covenant is the old covenant "renewed" (not something different) .... better because Jesus fulfilled it.

Pretty simple what God wants us to do ..... turn away from sin (just as it has always been) .... spread the gospel about Him in that through Him one might be saved.

Sons through Faith in Christ - the good news

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

The seed promised in Genesis - and that seed (of the woman) is Christ.

Genesis 3:15

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.

Mankind has and will always struggle with sin (seed of the serpent) ..... until He returns. I so look forward to that day!

Thank you Jesus! AMEN!!
Well he told Israel to sacrifice animals, and certainly you don't think we are to do that so his instructions do change, also during the Acts period all the apostles and the Jewish believers where still offering sacrifices some 20 years after Jesus died, where it also clearly shows different instructions for the Jew and the gentile (Acts. 21:23-26). make sure you take the time to read all my references, as well as lesson #1.
 
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Well he told Israel to sacrifice animals, and certainly you don't think we are to do that so his instructions do change, also during the Acts period all the apostles and the Jewish believers where still offering sacrifices some 20 years after Jesus died, where it also clearly shows different instructions for the Jew and the gentile (Acts. 21:23-26). make sure you take the time to read all my references, as well as lesson #1.

Yes .... the earthly temple system was put in place by God ..... and was done so pointing to Jesus as savior (the final sacrifice ... once or all .... for all time. Those who may have been offering sacrifices (after his death) , what did they know, who were they? It's not like email was around besides there was prophesy yet to be fulfilled .... no doubt some from the "stiffed necked" remained .... the point is Jesus left their house desolate .... their house not His house.

Matthew records not only the tearing of the veil but the rocks splitting, the graves opening, and some of the dead being raised—events that could happen only because of what Jesus had accomplished by dying as our Substitute for sin. In Matthew, we can see things happening that the old system itself could never have caused. “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins” Hebrews 10:4

The orthodox Jews do desire to build a temple, because they do not believe Jesus was the Messiah.

Acts. 21:23-26

It should be noted that ceremonial “purification” did not necessarily involve atonement (a sacrifice) for personal sin.

Even so ... when one reads the entire story whatever was scheduled to take place .... did not take place .... because Paul was arrested.

The passage does not state anything about animals nor sacrifice nor a priest ... therefore assumptions should not be made.

Sacrifices did indeed continue by some until the temple was destroyed ... of which Jesus prophesied would happen.

No where is it stated that the apostles participated in animal sacrifices after the death of Jesus. Only priests in the temple could offer animal sacrifice and none of the apostles were priests in the temple.

1 Peter, Christians are referred to as "a holy priesthood" whose function it was "to offer up spiritual sacrifices" (not animals) ... they were all clear on this point and is what they taught.

The disciples did not partake in animal sacrifice else they are hypocritical in their teachings.
 
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Yes .... the earthly temple system was put in place by God ..... and was done so pointing to Jesus as savior (the final sacrifice ... once or all .... for all time. Those who may have been offering sacrifices (after his death) , what did they know, who were they? It's not like email was around besides there was prophesy yet to be fulfilled .... no doubt some from the "stiffed necked" remained .... the point is Jesus left their house desolate .... their house not His house.

Matthew records not only the tearing of the veil but the rocks splitting, the graves opening, and some of the dead being raised—events that could happen only because of what Jesus had accomplished by dying as our Substitute for sin. In Matthew, we can see things happening that the old system itself could never have caused. “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins” Hebrews 10:4

The orthodox Jews do desire to build a temple, because they do not believe Jesus was the Messiah.

Acts. 21:23-26

It should be noted that ceremonial “purification” did not necessarily involve atonement (a sacrifice) for personal sin.

Even so ... when one reads the entire story whatever was scheduled to take place .... did not take place .... because Paul was arrested.

The passage does not state anything about animals nor sacrifice nor a priest ... therefore assumptions should not be made.

Sacrifices did indeed continue by some until the temple was destroyed ... of which Jesus prophesied would happen.

No where is it stated that the apostles participated in animal sacrifices after the death of Jesus. Only priests in the temple could offer animal sacrifice and none of the apostles were priests in the temple.

1 Peter, Christians are referred to as "a holy priesthood" whose function it was "to offer up spiritual sacrifices" (not animals) ... they were all clear on this point and is what they taught.

The disciples did not partake in animal sacrifice else they are hypocritical in their teachings.
They were making the animal sacrificial offerings for the nazarite vow Num. 6:1-6,14-20. As the sacrificial system will be back in effect during the millennium (Zech. 14:16-21). Only when Israel is judged as lo-Ammi (Hos.1:9; 2:11; 3:4-5) there is no sacrificial system, and this had not come to fulfilment until (Acts.28:25-28; cp.1 Thes.2:16)
 
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Same God throughout the history of mankind and He doesn't change ... not different instructions for some and not others .... God is not racist.

This is incorrect. Meat was allowed to be eaten only after the flood Genesis 9:3

Prior to that, the instructions was to only eat vegetables. Genesis 1:29, Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:18-29

So God gave different instructions at different times.
 
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Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

That is referring to the attributes of Jesus/God.

It is not saying that his instructions to us are the same yesterday today and forever.
 
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That is referring to the attributes of Jesus/God.

It is not saying that his instructions to us are the same yesterday today and forever.
we have to be careful to watch out for these little catch phrases that have been created by half quoting scripture, out of its context, to support false doctrine. Remember that to obey the word of God that was given to others and not you, then becomes disobedience, circumcision in the New Testament is an example. Adam and eve could not ignore the change when they were expelled from the garden, should they have tried to go back in the garden and not to eat of the tree again in order to please God? Not to use the simplest of example, but sometimes that's where you have to start to show the principle.
 
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They were making the animal sacrificial offerings for the nazarite vow Num. 6:1-6,14-20. As the sacrificial system will be back in effect during the millennium (Zech. 14:16-21). Only when Israel is judged as lo-Ammi (Hos.1:9; 2:11; 3:4-5) there is no sacrificial system, and this had not come to fulfilment until (Acts.28:25-28; cp.1 Thes.2:16)
The disciples did not partake in animal sacrifice (after the death of Jesus) else they are hypocritical in their teachings .... was the main point I was making. To believe this makes thier teachings hypocritical.
 
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The disciples did not partake in animal sacrifice (after the death of Jesus) else they are hypocritical in their teachings .... was the main point I was making. To believe this makes thier teachings hypocritical.
James and all the elders are there and say that there are thousands of Jews that believe, and are zealous or the law, and they tell Paul to pay for the sacrifices to show that Paul is to (Acts 21:18-26). we must submit to scripture and not our preconceived ideas, I will be explaining the many questions in later posts.
 
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James and all the elders are there and say that there are thousands of Jews that believe, and are zealous or the law, and they tell Paul to pay for the sacrifices to show that Paul is to (Acts 21:18-26). we must submit to scripture and not our preconceived ideas, I will be explaining the many questions in later posts.

Many people are using an argument from silence there.

They reasoned "Since Acts did not record any statement about the 12 making animal sacrifices for their sins, therefore they must have stopped".
 
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This is incorrect. Meat was allowed to be eaten only after the flood Genesis 9:3

Prior to that, the instructions was to only eat vegetables. Genesis 1:29, Genesis 2:16-17, Genesis 3:18-29

So God gave different instructions at different times.

It is true we were originally created to be vegetarians .... the guidelines (clean and unclean) the Lord gives in His word is a health message not a sin message.

The Lords message throughout is about sin.

It's not a message about sin (this is what the Lord is concerned about) .... no He has not changed His mind about sin.
 
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That is referring to the attributes of Jesus/God.

It is not saying that his instructions to us are the same yesterday today and forever.

Malachi 3:6​

“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

James 1:17​

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
 
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Many people are using an argument from silence there.

They reasoned "Since Acts did not record any statement about the 12 making animal sacrifices for their sins, therefore they must have stopped".
No, the Nazrine vow required a sin offering Duet. 21, also Pentecost is a sacrificial feast and Paul was attending that to, Acts is God still dealing with Israel, Acts is a book that records the apostasy of Israel; the structural balance of the book opens up with the question if Christ would restore the kingdom to Israel at that time (Acts 1:6), and the book ends with Paul's pronouncement of their national blindness and dismissal (Acts 25:25-28).
 
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It is true we were originally created to be vegetarians .... the guidelines (clean and unclean) the Lord gives in His word is a health message not a sin message.

The Lords message throughout is about sin.

It's not a message about sin (this is what the Lord is concerned about) .... no He has not changed His mind about sin.

No one is saying anything about God changing his mind about sin

It is about your point "not different instructions for some and not others".

If Adam was committed to eat only vegetables, but Noah could now eat meat after the flood, how is that not "different instructions for some and not others"?
 
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Malachi 3:6​

“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

James 1:17​

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

How does this address my reply to your point?
 
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No one is saying anything about God changing his mind about sin

It is about your point "not different instructions for some and not others".

If Adam was committed to eat only vegetables, but Noah could now eat meat after the flood, how is that not "different instructions for some and not others"?

Does God not know what He is going to do before He does it? Yes He does.
 
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No one is saying anything about God changing his mind about sin

It is about your point "not different instructions for some and not others".

If Adam was committed to eat only vegetables, but Noah could now eat meat after the flood, how is that not "different instructions for some and not others"?
Clean and unclean animals were taken on the ark .... God knew He would later allow clean animals ... else there would be no reason to have clean and unclean animals defined. God don't change His mind.
 
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