Warning verses to the churches about losing eternal life
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If you cannot read and see the obvious, it is not my problem.
ALL spiritual Truth comes only via spiritual revelation.
So, you'd better start getting some revelation.
I cannot help you!
Meanwhile, try to figure out what you are a slave of.
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This also is not helpful. How do you know that you cannot be helpful? Didn't God give some as teachers?
Trying to make the problem look likes it's something wrong with me is nothing but a diversion tactic. It is becoming more and more obvious that you know what you believe, but cannot explain it in any intelligent manor. For all I know, you found a website that supports your views and just copied the scripture verses.
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Take your favorite one (from the list) ...
and explain why it does NOT warn of losing salvation.
Anything less than this is moronic.
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The fact that you cannot demonstrate that you even understand the verses leads pretty much everyone to believe that your view is, at best, a mile wide and an inch deep. That's the conclusion that is drawn when someone cannot defend their views and need to push the burden on others, and throw about insults.
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Actually, eternal life Is salvation.
How about dealing with the verses I provided that guarantees the believer for the day of redemption?
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I know the OP will do nothing to explain his views. So, against my better judgement, I took one passage at random that he testifies speaks of losing salvation. He posted Heb 10:36-39. I'm posting a little larger section.
32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,
33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated.
34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.
35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
37 For, "Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. - Hebrews 10:32-39
My guess is (since he seems incapable of explaining anything) that his focus is on "and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him".
However, the very next line should be sufficient to explain that the writer isn't saying one can lose salvation. "But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed..."
I don't know how this could be any clearer.
32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,
33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated.
34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.
35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
37 For, "Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. - Hebrews 10:32-39
My guess is (since he seems incapable of explaining anything) that his focus is on "and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him".
However, the very next line should be sufficient to explain that the writer isn't saying one can lose salvation. "But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed..."
I don't know how this could be any clearer.
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Nopeski, you deal with mine! ... This should be obvious!
I can explain all NT verses in light of "no OSAS" ...
Hint:
God's elect before the foundation of the world surely have OSAS,
and these are the ones to whom the dire warnings are written to ...
to keep them saved! ... And they surely duz need the warnings!
They are the elect because they choose to heed the warnings,
and co-operate with the Holy Spirit throughout the sanctification process
... all the way down the narrow path to their final salvation.
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Yes, Louise, I am quickly losing patience!
Some are evidently quite able to shrink back (fall away from the faith)
and be destroyed ... and we izn't talkin' about their reputations!!!
Even beyond this, Paul is demonstrating his usual method of ...
(drum roll, please)
MANY MANY MANY MANY edifications, exhortations, encouragemens, etc.
mixed in with a very tasty garlic sauce WITH his dire warnings!
(Jesus taught him over 17 years to do this, even why to do it I'm sure).
Re: your verse above ... Paul is saying with a great hopefull expectation ,
"Surely, boys 'n gals, youse wouldn't be found guilty of this, wouldest thou?"
Now, Jonathan, please try hard to get the drift of this, wouldya?
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Notice that I quoted the passage in context. And notice the part you excluded.
This is why you cannot defend your position. You've just demonstrated to all that context is not important.
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How so? I quoted the whole passage (even the part you referenced) and explained what was said. So how does this make me hopeless?
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No, YOU've just demonstrated that you are hopeless!
I just hope and pray that some others will benefit from my explanation to you,
which has fallen on your blind eyes.
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How so? I quoted the whole passage (even the part you referenced) and explained what was said. So how does this make me hopeless?
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This language is missing in salvation dialog.
Many believers are called to ministry, Eph 4:11.
Many believers are given spiritual gifts, 1 Cor 12.
These are incredibly important to Jesus and the church,
but you know nothing about them.
I, for example, can testify that spiritual gifts are irrevocable.
And we need to be careful to not mis-use them.
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