Trinity and three persons...

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God is one nature, one being, but three persons.
Three distinct persons.
Jesus is God, he is of that divine nature, and wholly God... but at the same time wholly man.
He's God the Son, that unique person. The Son is not the Father.
And he had that distinct Person since always.
Ok.

Looking at the other two Persons of God....
They also each have their own distinct and separate persons.

God the Father is also of this Divine God Nature, but it's also distinctly the Father.

Also, the Holy Spirit is also, the distinct Person of the Holy Spirit.

We talk about Jesus Christ having two natures, but that is to do with his human/divine nature... not, as far as I can tell, to do with his being the unique Person (Son). That unique 'God the Son'-ness is included in his Divine Nature.

God the Father and the Holy Spirit can't be said to have two Natures in the same way as Jesus, because their Father-ness and Spirit-ness don't constitute something different from their divine natures.

Or... Am I wrong to separate Jesus's Humanness from his Son-ness?

Sorry, if this is a convoluted question, I hope you can see what I'm trying to figure out and clarify?

Second question... In the New Jerusalem, will Jesus still have human nature... will he walk the streets with a human body and mind?

Third question... Will anybody have a human body in the New Jerusalem?

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God is one nature, one being, but three persons.
Three distinct persons.
Jesus is God, he is of that divine nature, and wholly God... but at the same time wholly man.
He's God the Son, that unique person. The Son is not the Father.
And he had that distinct Person since always.
Ok.

Looking at the other two Persons of God....
They also each have their own distinct and separate persons.

God the Father is also of this Divine God Nature, but it's also distinctly the Father.

Also, the Holy Spirit is also, the distinct Person of the Holy Spirit.

We talk about Jesus Christ having two natures, but that is to do with his human/divine nature... not, as far as I can tell, to do with his being the unique Person (Son). That unique 'God the Son'-ness is included in his Divine Nature.

God the Father and the Holy Spirit can't be said to have two Natures in the same way as Jesus, because their Father-ness and Spirit-ness don't constitute something different from their divine natures.

Or... Am I wrong to separate Jesus's Humanness from his Son-ness?

Sorry, if this is a convoluted question, I hope you can see what I'm trying to figure out and clarify?

Second question... In the New Jerusalem, will Jesus still have human nature... will he walk the streets with a human body and mind?

Third question... Will anybody have a human body in the New Jerusalem?

Diolch yn fawr iawn I chi ♥️
Isaiah was given this prophetic description:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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Yeah, that God is one: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is a holy mystery. It's what God has revealed about Himself, and He is greater than human reason and the laws of nature. And that Jesus is fully man and fully God is also a holy mystery. According to our reason, that which is infinite should not be able to be contained in that which is finite, yet, the man Jesus Christ is the Lord. Jesus is fully man and fully God even now and for all time.

John 1 is a very helpful overview of who God is and what it means for us. For a more technical explanation, I can recommend having a look at the Athenasian Creed.

Regarding the resurrection and glorification of our bodies, we confess in the Apostles' Creed: "I believe in ... the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen."
 
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Jesus is the visible part of The Trinity. In The Tanakh when people saw and talked to God it was Jesus who they were speaking to and seeing. But at that point Jesus did not have a permanent physical body, this came/happened when Jesus came into the world as a baby born of flesh.

What Kind of Man Is This? (Christology, Part 1) – Grace Evangelical Society

The Classical Understanding of Christ (Christology, Part 2) – Grace Evangelical Society

Why Is Christ’s Impeccability Essential? – Grace Evangelical Society

“My Way”—Frank Sinatra Spirituality – Grace Evangelical Society
 
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God the Father and the Holy Spirit can't be said to have two Natures in the same way as Jesus, because their Father-ness and Spirit-ness don't constitute something different from their divine natures.
Or... Am I wrong to separate Jesus's Humanness from his Son-ness?
Sorry, if this is a convoluted question, I hope you can see what I'm trying to figure out and clarify?
Hello Tellyontellyon, no, you are correct. God sent His Son into this world to save us from our sins, so He was (already) God the Son prior to taking on His human nature and being born as one of us. For instance,

Galatians 4
4 When the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
1 John 4
10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4
14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Second question... In the New Jerusalem, will Jesus still have human nature... will he walk the streets with a human body and mind?
Human yes, but glorified (like His human body is now in Heaven, since His Resurrection, that is, and forevermore) .. e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:35-49.

Third question... Will anybody have a human body in the New Jerusalem?
Yes, but a glorified/imperishable human body, fitted for life in the eternity to come.

--David
p.s. - here is another verse (from the Lord Jesus Christ Himself) about being sent down here from Heaven by His Father/to do His Father's will.

John 6
38 I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
 
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Hello again @Tellyontellyon, you may find all of 1 Corinthians 15 an interesting read, since it speaks directly to some of the questions that you asked above. So, I will post it for you here (the bold/highlighted text is my doing).

1 Corinthians 15
The Facts of Christ's Resurrection
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the Gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;
7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
The Order of Resurrection
20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
30 Why are we also in danger every hour?
31 I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.
33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.”
34 Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.
35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?
36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies;
37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.
40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised can imperishable body;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
The Mystery of Resurrection
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
55 “O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;
57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.

--David
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