This is the trumpet of Rapture

[Servant78]

Matthew 24:31 And He shall send His angels with the great sound of trumpet and they shall gather His elects from the four corner of the wind. From one end of heaven to another.

During the rapture, Revelation 1:7 tells about the global world that will watch and mourn because Jesus do not land on the earth but taking the wise virgins to the Feast of the Lamb and leave the foolish behind as in Matthew 25:11-12

And here is where the elects go on Revelation 7:9 as the great multitude before the Throne.

The great multitude consists of the resurrected and the end Times living saints as mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

After that the the 1st seal of Revelation 6:2 shall be opened to launch the antichrist conquering the world with peace deals.

When apostle John saw the vision circa 90 AD Jesus has already finished His job to defeat death at the cross at Calvary and He does not need to conquer anything anymore, unlike that 1st seal horse rider (antichrist) launched to conquer the world. Bow without arrows means he does not use weapon/arm force but peace treaty. Especially between Israel-Arabs and other part of the world where conflict shall be engineered and antichrist then appear as Hero.

The world will be amazed by the 1st seal horse rider as he brings peace to the world (the devil will stop all the war it is making) and they will say "Peace and Safety" everywhere....1 Thessalonians 5:3

Then the short fake peace brought by the 1st seal horse rider shall suddenly be removed by the opening of the 2nd seal which Paul said will bring destruction. Revelation 6:4

Murders happen since the ancient time of Cain and Abel, but criminals were always arrested and put into jail so the peace and order of nations returned and life could go on as before. So what's the purpose of Revealing the 2nd seal if murders happen every day ? Its about the time when peace shall be literally taken and shall never return ! Which has never happened before in the history of mankind as they shall be killing one another unceasingly on the road and the Law will no longer able to keep order and jungle law will prevail, preppers shall hide themselves in the dungeon hoping to survive with guns and canned foods.

The next 3rd and 4th seal opening will bring total destruction to economy in order to destroy totally every rich and strong nations that they may give up and submit to the Luciferian NWO led by antichrist as approved by the UN unanimous decision. This is called the Great Reset as desperate nations will need the aid from global elite bankers which straddle over the UN whole institutions and most nations are already in ruin and desperate unsettled debts, they will bow to the NWO rules and policies, the most deliberately bankrupted nations (you know who) with the world's biggest debt of 20 trillion bugs may be the first to support the NWO with UN 21 /2030 agenda to control this planet where the water, land, forest, sea, properties etc will be confiscated from individual rights (do you think that gigantic debts wont be claimed by global elite bankers to enslave and rob global citizens) A new cashless payment system will be forced requiring the Mark of the beast for paymernt, as part of the great reset. Join or desolated !

The 5th seal opening : Christianity shall be globally banned and persecuted all over the world, there will be no religious tolerance toward the church and christians as you still enjoy now. You see how Christianity is hardly suppressed by all means in Communist or Arab countries ? Christians have hard time there and it will be much worse and totally banned and hunted globally when this 5th seal is allowed. But there will come the 2 witnesses of God who shall torture the unbelieving world in Revelation 11:10 and many will believe them and refuse to worship antichrist and the Mark of the beast, they shall be beheaded and their souls will be placed under the Altar until the great tribulation is over and they shall be resurrected as per Revelation 20:4

 

[Sabertooth]

Matthew 24:31 And He shall send His angels with the great sound of trumpet and they shall gather His elects from the four corner of the wind. From one end of heaven to another.

It sounds like it.

And the world will mourn because Jesus do not land on the earth but taking the wise virgins to the Feast of the Lamb.

That part seems to be conjecture (about how this fits with other verses).

("Conjecture" means that it could be true, but is not stated explicitly.)

 

[Jamdoc]

Matthew 24:31 And He shall send His angels with the great sound of trumpet and they shall gather His elects from the four corner of the wind. From one end of heaven to another.

During the rapture, Revelation 1:7 tells about the global world that will watch and mourn because Jesus do not land on the earth but taking the wise virgins to the Feast of the Lamb and leave the foolish behind as in Matthew 25:11-12

And here is where the elects go on Revelation 7:9 as the great multitude before the Throne.

The great multitude consists of the resurrected and the end Times living saints as mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

This is all consistent, and I agree with it.

After that the the 1st seal of Revelation 6:2 shall be opened to launch the antichrist conquering the world with peace deals.

Here you run into a significant problem.
If you're going to use Matthew 24 for the rapture, then you have to deal with Matthew 24:29 for timing, which says "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (referring back to Matthew 24:15-22).
You also have a clue, that points you to where you can see when the rapture takes place in Revelation itself.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Which does not happen prior to the first seal, but rather, immediately after the 6th seal.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

I believe that when you throw out what people have been taught, most often "the rapture has to come before the tribulation", and let the bible speak for itself, you can come to a consistent positioning of the rapture happening after tribulation (caused by men, persecution, the first 5 seals), but before the wrath of God (the trumpets and bowls/vials).

The way pretribulationists usually deal with this is to claim that Matthew 24 is "for the jews" rather than Christians, and "it's about Revelation 19 at the end of the '7 year tribulation' (a term never used in the bible, Jesus says that the Great Tribulation begins AFTER the abomination of desolation and the time given is 1260 days/42 months (3.5 years, not 7))"

I consider it woefully ignorant.. but that's what they do.. pretend Matthew 24 is not talking about what it clearly is talking about.

Matthew 24:22 gives another important piece of information.. for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Meaning for those who get raptured, the elect... they will not go through 3.5 full years of Great Tribulation, because Jesus will cut it short. We do not know by how long it will be cut short.
But given that it matches very closely with the 6th seal.. the 5th seal gives us a potential clue.

Revelation 6

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

God apparently has a certain number of martyrs that will be killed before Jesus returns. What that number is, no one but the Father knows, just as He is the only one to know the exact date.

 

[Servant78]

Here you run into a significant problem.
If you're going to use Matthew 24 for the rapture, then you have to deal with Matthew 24:29 for timing, which says "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (referring back to Matthew 24:15-22).
You also have a clue, that points you to where you can see when the rapture takes place in Revelation itself.

Matthew 24


Which does not happen prior to the first seal, but rather, immediately after the 6th seal.

Revelation 6


I believe that when you throw out what people have been taught, most often "the rapture has to come before the tribulation", and let the bible speak for itself, you can come to a consistent positioning of the rapture happening after tribulation (caused by men, persecution, the first 5 seals), but before the wrath of God (the trumpets and bowls/vials).

The way pretribulationists usually deal with this is to claim that Matthew 24 is "for the jews" rather than Christians, and "it's about Revelation 19 at the end of the '7 year tribulation' (a term never used in the bible, Jesus says that the Great Tribulation begins AFTER the abomination of desolation and the time given is 1260 days/42 months (3.5 years, not 7))"

I consider it woefully ignorant.. but that's what they do.. pretend Matthew 24 is not talking about what it clearly is talking about.

Matthew 24:22 gives another important piece of information.. for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Meaning for those who get raptured, the elect... they will not go through 3.5 full years of Great Tribulation, because Jesus will cut it short. We do not know by how long it will be cut short.
But given that it matches very closely with the 6th seal.. the 5th seal gives us a potential clue.

Revelation 6


God apparently has a certain number of martyrs that will be killed before Jesus returns. What that number is, no one but the Father knows, just as He is the only one to know the exact date.

There's a post explaining the sun still shine when the rapture takes place.
The word "immediately AFTER" which misleads many

Because the sun will be darkened by the 4th sound of trumpet in the first half of great tribulation.

 

[Jamdoc]

There's a post explaining the sun still shine when the rapture takes place.
The word "immediately AFTER" which misleads many

Because the sun will be darkened by the 4th sound of trumpet in the first half of great tribulation.

What verse says anything about the sun shining when the rapture happens?

Matthew 24 has the sun and moon darkening.

 

[Servant78]

What verse says anything about the sun shining when the rapture happens?

Matthew 24 has the sun and moon darkening.

Matthew 24:40 explains people are working in the field when rapture takes place, will you be able to work in the field when the sun is already darkened ? Who will even bother to go to the field when the trees and grass and the earth is destroyed globally by the 1st, 2nd and 3rd trumpets ?

 

[Jamdoc]

Matthew 24:40 explains people are working in the field when rapture takes place, will you be able to work in the field when the sun is already darkened ? Who will even bother to go to the field when the trees and grass and the earth is destroyed globally by the 1st, 2nd and 3rd trumpets ?

Well it's the 6th seal, not 6th trumpet. The 6th seal takes place before the trumpets, as it's the 7th seal that starts the trumpets.
all 5 of the first seals are actions that men take when God stops restraining their worst desires.

It's speculation but the first 4 seals are a setup, destroying the old order of the world (the one we're currently in if this were to happen in our lifetimes), and actually takes place before the 70th week. After the current world order is destroyed, is when you'd have Antichrist actually begin to rule the world, recovering from the destruction of the first four seals, and persecuting those who are blamed for those catastrophes, Jews and Christians (the 5th seal).

But basically you have to be able to reconcile statements that Jesus makes.

Jesus makes statements that it will be like the days of Noah and Lot (Luke 17), which says this will be normal every day things going on when it happens.
But Jesus says it will also take place immediately following the Great Tribulation. Which would certainly NOT be normal days. In fact, they are seemingly conflicting statements...

UNLESS....
It is Great Tribulation persecuting specifically Christians, but for the rest of the world it is business as usual everyday life.

A lot of people think the Great Tribulation is the trumpets and bowls/vials.. but they don't get that Jesus said that immediately after the tribulations the sun and moon will go dark.. and that is at the 6th seal.
So by Jesus' own words, the tribulations are over at the 6th seal, making anything happening after the 6th seal to be something else rather than the Great Tribulation that Jesus referred to.
Because of this error, people think the Great Tribulation targets all of humanity and the entire earth.
But you can't have a days of Noah/days of Lot circumstance happening then. Nobody's getting married when there's asteroids hitting Earth and the whole world's on fire.

But you can have them.. and be consistent with Jesus other words.. if the Great Tribulation is specific to Christians, IE the 5th seal, and Revelation 13 mark of the beast passages (which I believe are parallel, not Chronological)., while the rest of the world outside of Christ is rebuilding and getting back to a "new normal" under the harlot of Babylon first, then Antichrist's reign.

Personally I speculate that Russia, China, Western Europe, and the US destroy each other mutually during the 4 horsemen, we certainly have the weapons to do it. This would take us all out of power, and the resulting shift of global power will go south, to the Middle East, where the bible focuses on.