The True Israel

[LittleLambofJesus]

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

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Luke 16:26 And upon all of these between us and ye a chasm great hath been established
so that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying

 

[Duckybill]

Guess you folks don't think that Paul was a child of God. I feel deeply sorry for you! You keep quoting Romans, well Paul who was a Jew, and Israelite and of the seed of Abraham wrote it.

2 Corinthians 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Guess you folks don't think that Paul was a child of God. I feel deeply sorry for you! You keep quoting Romans, well Paul who was a Jew, and Israelite and of the seed of Abraham wrote it..

Too bad the apostate unbelieving Jews didn't/don't see him that way

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Acts 13:46 Being bold yet Paul and Barnabas said "to ye it was necessary first to be spoken the Word of the God. Since ye are thrusting away it and not worthy judging yeselves of the age-abiding life, behold! we are turning into the Nations".

Revelation 14:11 And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages..........
[Luke 16:24,26]

 

[Duckybill]

Too bad the apostate unbelieving Jews didn't/don't see him that way

Are you jealous that Jews wrote the NT? Just what is your problem with Jews???

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are you jealous that Jews wrote the NT? Just what is your problem with Jews???

If they wrote it, how come they don't read or believe in it?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

 

[Duckybill]

If they wrote it, how come they don't read or believe in it?

Some of them did and do. Do you?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

You can quote all the anti-Jewish literature you like. Do you think that helps you or pleases God? You are railing against God's chosen Nation. You are touching the apple of God's eye.

 

[anthony55]

Guess you folks don't think that Paul was a child of God. I feel deeply sorry for you! You keep quoting Romans, well Paul who was a Jew, and Israelite and of the seed of Abraham wrote it.

2 Corinthians 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

 

[Duckybill]

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

Jesus was/is a Jew, Paul and all the apostles were Jews.

Luke 23:3 (NKJV)
3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered him and said, "It is as you say."

 

[anthony55]

Jesus was/is a Jew, Paul and all the apostles were Jews.

Luke 23:3 (NKJV)
3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered him and said, "It is as you say."

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

 

[Duckybill]

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Yep.
That passage has been a "stickler" for the Preterists/Amills.

Pre-Trib Research Center -

Preterism and Zechariah 12-14

 

[Duckybill]

Yep.
That passage has been a "stickler" for the Preterists/Amills.

Pre-Trib Research Center -

Preterism and Zechariah 12-14

Why don't you just say what's on your mind?

 

[anthony55]

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

 

[Duckybill]

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

So tell us plainly!!! Can the fleshly seed of Abraham obtain salvation by becoming Christians?

 

[Duckybill]

Anthony55, I just saw your answer in the other thread. Gee, I would think that if some want to report others here it would be for telling people they can't be saved. That is, unless you believe like anthony55.

 

[heritage36]

So tell us plainly!!! Can the fleshly seed of Abraham obtain salvation by becoming Christians?

That is the main part of salvation for anyone, to accept Christ, it would not matter who you are really. Obviously that would include abrahams descendents also. Jesus' sacrifice was for everyone, nobody was absolutely not involved if they acknowledge it. It is foolish that some people think Jews are not included in that.

 

[Duckybill]

That is the main part of salvation for anyone, to accept Christ, it would not matter who you are really. Obviously that would include abrahams descendents also. Jesus' sacrifice was for everyone, nobody was absolutely not involved if they acknowledge it. It is foolish that some people think Jews are not included in that.

Thank you for adding some sanity to this issue. For anthony55 to say that those of the fleshly seed of Abraham cannot be saved is truly sad, to put it kindly.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thank you for adding some sanity to this issue. For anthony55 to say that those of the fleshly seed of Abraham cannot be saved is truly sad, to put it kindly.

Yeah......I don't understand how he came to that conclusion...at least according to Romans 9:27

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the sand of the sea, the remnant shall be being saved'".
[Isaiah 10:22,23/Daniel 12/Reve 20:8]

 

[anthony55]

So tell us plainly!!! Can the fleshly seed of Abraham obtain salvation by becoming Christians?

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

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[anthony55]

Yeah......I don't understand how he came to that conclusion...at least according to Romans 9:27

Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the sand of the sea, the remnant shall be being saved'".
[Isaiah 10:22,23/Daniel 12/Reve 20:8]

There is no salvation for those who are not the children of God !

rom 9:

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

Redemption is for the Family, The next of Kin, and abrahams Children according to the flesh, are not children of God, not canidates for redemption.

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