The Top Ten Lies of Feminism

[benf]

Hmmm, maybe because we should love and respect one another? Not really a difficult question, there.

You're completely ignoring my point about God's instructions indicate a that the nature of each gender is very distinct and to be observed. It isn't some "Duh love and respect one another!" The different verbs apply to different genders.

 

[TaxEvader]

Thanks for just dancing around my refusal to accept your correlation between suffragettes and feminists, and then ignoring any of the actual points of discussion since you have obviously shown (with no evidence, bravo!) how they are BOTH feminists.

I should have thought the common thread between them would be the whole 'equality for women' deal, but maybe that is too subtle for you.

To say feminists are different from suffragettes because they don't fight for the vote is like saying all modern Americans are royalists as they didn't fight in the War of Independence.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

You're completely ignoring my point about God's instructions indicate a that the nature of each gender is very distinct and to be observed. It isn't some "Duh love and respect one another!" The different verbs apply to different genders.

It is truly amazing. I mean here you are, a frail human being existing in the blink of an eye but you have this magical ability to be able to dictate to us what God said about gender roles. It is truly astonishing considering that dude Jesus was the first Christian feminist.

 

[benf]

I should have thought the common thread between them would be the whole 'equality for women' deal, but maybe that is too subtle for you.

To say feminists are different from suffragettes because they don't fight for the vote is like saying all modern Americans are royalists as they didn't fight in the War of Independence.

The equality argument is baloney.

Women could be argued to earn more.

Women got the right to vote almost a hundred years ago.

Women get extremely preferential treatment by the court system in child cases because of their gender.


Where exactly is the inequality feminists are fighting that links them to suffragettes?

 

[TaxEvader]

The equality argument is baloney.

Women could be argued to earn more.

Women got the right to vote almost a hundred years ago.

Women get extremely preferential treatment by the court system in child cases because of their gender.


Where exactly is the inequality feminists are fighting that links them to suffragettes?

Wikipedia: "There have been 39 women in the United States Senate since the establishment of that body in 1789. The first woman served in 1922, but women were first elected in number in 1992. As of 2011, 17 of the 100 U.S. Senators are women. Thirteen of the women who have served were appointed; seven of those were appointed to succeed their deceased husbands."

17% does not suggest equality to me.

 

[benf]

Wikipedia: "There have been 39 women in the United States Senate since the establishment of that body in 1789. The first woman served in 1922, but women were first elected in number in 1992. As of 2011, 17 of the 100 U.S. Senators are women. Thirteen of the women who have served were appointed; seven of those were appointed to succeed their deceased husbands."

17% does not suggest equality to me.

Why do you assume women should occupy half of positions since they occupy half of the population?

It seems to me giving them preferential treatment for advancement is more misogynist than treating them as equals.

Your argument is assuming at the least and very poor at best.

 

[TaxEvader]

Why do you assume women should occupy half of positions since they occupy half of the population?

It seems to me giving them preferential treatment for advancement is more misogynist than treating them as equals.

Your argument is assuming at the least and very poor at best.

Statistically, if a group comprising half the population does not occupy roughly half the positions, there should be a reason.

What is your reason that they do not?

 

[benf]

Statistically, if a group comprising half the population does not occupy roughly half the positions, there should be a reason.

What is your reason that they do not?

Who says women want to occupy half the positions? It seems to me many women are happy in careers other than politics. And others are happy being homemakers.


We should just fight for colleges to accept at least 40% blacks since we have 40% blacks in the country. Their grades don't matter.

We should just fight for all stores to have a 50/50 gender hiring policy. I'm sure the girls will love breaking up roads for construction and the guys can sell lingerie.


Minimum quotas are a delusional ideal of the left and completely ignore the basic facts of merit, natural or traditional life paths for your gender, the fact that not every male or every female is interested in roughly the same things, etc. etc.

Your don't even have an argument besides "women can't do it on their own. Set quotas!". This is far more misogynist than having a minority of women in government positions.

 

[TaxEvader]

Who says women want to occupy half the positions? It seems to me many women are happy in careers other than politics. And others are happy being homemakers.


We should just fight for colleges to accept at least 40% blacks since we have 40% blacks in the country. Their grades don't matter.

We should just fight for all stores to have a 50/50 gender hiring policy. I'm sure the girls will love breaking up roads for construction and the guys can sell lingerie.


Minimum quotas are a delusional ideal of the left and completely ignore the basic facts of merit, natural or traditional life paths for your gender, the fact that not every male or every female is interested in roughly the same things, etc. etc.

Your don't even have an argument besides "women can't do it on their own. Set quotas!". This is far more misogynist than having a minority of women in government positions.

Who mentioned quotas? You're just making up your own arguments.

Who says women want to occupy half the positions?

Feminists, the people you are complaining about.

Modern feminism is more nebulous than changing the law, it is about changing attitudes.

 

[benf]

Who mentioned quotas? You're just making up your own arguments.

What else do you call changing the amount of a certain gender/race that is awarded or wins a position?

edit: electing women should be based on women who decides to run and wins. Not based on encouraging women to run just because they are women. That is beyond silly. It implies women can't make the decision themselves.

 

[TaxEvader]

What else do you call changing the amount of a certain gender/race that is awarded or wins a position?

edit: electing women should be based on women who run and win. Not based on encouraging women to run just because they are women. That is beyond silly. It implies women can't make the decision themselves.

I call a quota enforcing an amount of a certian gender or race that is awarded or wins a position.

I call changing the amount of a certain gender/race that is awarded or wins a position activism.

Also, encouraging women to run implies, if anything, that they are being discouraged elsewhere.

 

[benf]

I call a quota enforcing an amount of a certian gender or race that is awarded or wins a position.

I call changing the amount of a certain gender/race that is awarded or wins a position activism.

Also, encouraging women to run implies, if anything, that they are being discouraged elsewhere.

I get it. When your ideals are reflected, everything is okay. When people are free to do what they want and be who they want, the patriarchy is oppressing. Got it.

 

[TaxEvader]

I get it. When your ideals are reflected, everything is okay. When people are free to do what they want and be who they want, the patriarchy is oppressing. Got it.

Not my ideals, we are discussing feminism. I am not a feminist.

Secondly, the point feminists are trying to make is that while they are free, legally, to do what they want, it is made difficult by the attitudes of society and individuals. If you choose not to believe so, fine, but to deny that they may rightly believe so and act upon that belief rather reinforces their point.

 

[benf]

Not my ideals, we are discussing feminism. I am not a feminist.

Secondly, the point feminists are trying to make is that while they are free, legally, to do what they want, it is made difficult by the attitudes of society and individuals. If you choose not to believe so, fine, but to deny that they may rightly believe so and act upon that belief rather reinforces their point.

I'm sorry I deny the existence of an oppressive patriarchy that keeps women down and prevents them from running for president. cough michelle bachmann cough

This cuts right to the heart of my statement about feminism being about liberal women. You can't be a feminist without believing the lie about inequality. You can't believe the lie about inequality without a permanent victim-mentality.

Collectivism is really the heart of the victim-complex. The history of collectivism is the history of socialism. Both are the same dogmatic and self-deprecating mindsets.

 

[MacFall]

Oh, I get what this is about: non-feminists insisting that they alone have the right to decide what is and is not Real True Feminism(TM), rather than people who actually ARE feminists. I love it when people try to tell me what I believe.

 

[benf]

Oh, I get what this is about: non-feminists insisting that they alone have the right to decide what is and is not Real True Feminism(TM), rather than people who actually ARE feminists. I love it when people try to tell me what I believe.

Yeah a doctor has to have a broken arm to know it feels bad, and to know what needs fixing and how to do it.

 

[MacFall]

Just like radical atheists don't have the right to define what Christians actually believe. Good, I'm glad we got this cleared up. Now you can stop pretending you know more about a topic than people who have actually studied it in depth.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Most people are a little feminist. Including myself.

1. Nobody believes that, with language that disparages the opposition as if they all believe this.

2. As a student of personality, I can say that often times it's nurture that gives the emotional expectations of the genders outside of "sexual roles".

3. People can die anyway they want to.

4. This exists, but not for feminists. Any group that speaks to it's constituents is going to use language like that. "You're special because you're X!"

5. This is eerily familiar to Evolutionary Psychology. How ironic.

6. See 3.

7. Men believe it. They even say it to kids as young as 2-3. "Man, stop bein' a little girl!" It doesn't mean equal.

8. Sounds like Fe vs Te.

9 and 10 aren't worth addressing.

 

[jamandcrumpets]

wow - I started reading this thread thinking...."as a woman how do I feel about this article" and I have finished reading this thread thinking "what a bunch of angry comments".

As a WOMAN I really think this article hit a couple of points and missed many for me. I know I find it hard to juggle parenting and work sometimes, but in an ideal society, this is a juggle that could have been shared between both parents if it is desired. I know a lot of women work due to financial pressures and not due to desire to go out and work, but I also know a lot of women who love their jobs and the freedom from housework/child raising.

Personally, I think feminism was more about freedom from repression and choice. Hopefully respect and fairness too.

We are all gifted individually from our God and we are all wanting different things from our lives as a result... doesn't that mean we all want different things from our spouses as well?

What is undesirable is a society where women are second rate citizens and have no rights... surely feminism was about release from this slavery and recognition of our rights, our opinions and our safety (women in Afghanistan have a mortality rate of 1 in 11 in childbirth... they have no access to healthcare)... Women need to be active in the workplace ensuring rights and equality for these things. To me that is what feminism is about.

Personal relationships? what is one person's dust, is another person's gold - go for a good fit for you as an individual... not according to some strange article about boxing people into roles...

As a woman, I am strong, independant, slightly intelligent, soft hearted, prone to crying, very able to get on and get things done with a strength I never knew I had... but I still want a stronger version for my partner, so that I can respect him. NOT a wimp who can't look after children, won't cook, can't clean, has no sensitivity and earns all of the freedom and money!! But someone who can share the load while I completely respect him for being a role model!

I LOVE being an at home mum and especially while my kids are small I am EXTREMELY protective over them and find it hard to leave them with others... Not all of my friends feel the same way. Some can't wait to go back to work and have a break! As my children get older I am enjoying going back to study and finding expression in myself as an individual again... being a full time mother had definitely called me to put myself on pause for a little while... I'm so glad I live in a society where I have the freedom to do both as I need to... PRAISE GOD

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I don't see anything wrong with businesses adapting to pregnancy. I understand cost-benefit analysis, but really it's a part of life.