Ya steeno7, The problem is there is always a little truth in everything people say. And if a learner doesn't know that Gods truths are paradoxical, he has no chance at understanding Gods world. I'll give you an example.
Faithing is not a work, and it is a work at the same time. Our brains cannot comprehend it unless the Holy Spirit allows it.
Here's some more.
1)Christ said, "You live by dying." You don't die in order to live. When you are in a true state of dying (surrendering) , you are living at the same time. The Greek texts are written in a way that both of these things are happening at the same time.
2)Christ said, "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first." Well we can't be first by trying to be last. As the result of surrendering ourselves to Him, we become last making us first in Gods world. The Greek again defines this as both first and last are happening at the same time.
3)Christ said, "If you want to be chief, be a servant." Same scenario being a servant so you can be chief isn't a true path. By Faithing or surrendering ourselves to Him, we become a servant and chief at the same time as the Greek texts tell us.
4)Christ said, " No man has forsaken with persecution what he will receive many times in this life and the life to come." We don't forsake with persecution, to receive anything in this life or the world to come. As the result of Faithing (surrendering our life to Him) we are forsaken , we are persecuted, and we are receiving blessings here and the world to come all at the same time. Simultaneous happenings as specified in the Greek texts, the most exact language on the planet.
5)Christ said, "You go up by going down." It is a paradox!
What is a paradox?
A paradox embraces two things, mutually contradictory , exclusive from one another, yet concomitant. Existing at the same time , Merged together, both true, yet entirely opposite. The deeper truths of God are all paradoxes. But you don' need to know any of that to be a Faither instead of just a believer. People could have surrendered themselves to God long before His Word was available to the masses. Don't you ever wonder how people before the 1500 were able to have a relationship with Him? They were drawn by the Father, they surrendered to Him, lived a life inspired by that surrender, and God did the rest as we continued that surrender, Continued in Faithing, Pisteuo.
Yeah, you're just way too deep for all the rest of us mere "believers".
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