The Pope said negative to blessing same sex relationships, and again he said negative despite Germany and Belgium outcry who do these blessings

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This is a simplified history.​

What’s the background?

In 2021, the Vatican’s doctrinal office issued a document known as a “responsum,” replying to the question of whether the Church has “the power to give the blessing to unions of persons of the same sex.”

Its answer was “negative” — and the reasoning for that answer was set out in an accompanying “explanatory note.” The intervention, which was approved by Pope Francis, generated protests among Catholics in countries where same-sex blessings are common practice, especially Germany.

Despite the ruling, bishops in both Germany and neighboring Belgium began to advance contrasting proposals for the regulation of same-sex blessings, raising the topic’s profile among Catholics worldwide.

In July this year, Pope Francis himself addressed the issue, in response to a series of question from five cardinals.

The pope wrote that “pastoral prudence must adequately discern whether there are forms of blessing, requested by one or more persons, that do not convey an erroneous conception of marriage.”

But he added that it was “not appropriate for a diocese, a bishops’ conference, or any other ecclesial structure to constantly and officially establish procedures or rituals for all kinds of matters.”

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Fernández said that the pope’s July response, which was issued while the declaration was being studied, “provided important clarifications for this reflection and represents a decisive element for the work” of the doctrinal dicastery.

The cardinal insisted that, like the July response, “this declaration remains firm on the traditional doctrine of the Church about marriage, not allowing any type of liturgical rite or blessing similar to a liturgical rite that can create confusion.”
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In its first section, The Blessing in the Sacrament of Marriage, the text rules out any “rites and prayers that could create confusion” between marriage and other forms of union not recognized by the Church. It underlines the validity of “the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage.”

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Regarding the liturgical meaning of blessings, it says that a liturgical blessing “requires that what is blessed be conformed to God’s will, as expressed in the teachings of the Church.”

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“For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit, the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice.”


 

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11. Basing itself on these considerations, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Explanatory Note to its 2021 Responsum recalls that when a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships by a special liturgical rite, it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation and fully revealed by Christ the Lord. For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit,
the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice. The Holy Father reiterated the substance of this Declaration in his Respuestas to the Dubia of two Cardinals.
 
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11. Basing itself on these considerations, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Explanatory Note to its 2021 Responsum recalls that when a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships by a special liturgical rite, it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation and fully revealed by Christ the Lord. For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit,
the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice. The Holy Father reiterated the substance of this Declaration in his Respuestas to the Dubia of two Cardinals.
I can fully agree with paragraph 11 all by itself. But then in paragraph 31 they invent a 'non-liturgical blessing' of 'couples'. So there is doublespeak going on. The document could be fixed by uninventing non-liturgical blessings and not blessing 'couples' and having some real concern for the souls of these individuals caught up in 'irregular' situations. We SHOULD be helping people and not blessing the unblessable.

Paragraph 11 by itself is great. When paragraph 31 is added it is clear that paragraph 11 has a sneaky meaning. We can't and won't bless you (liturgically) but we will invent a way around that problem so we can bless you nonetheless. But the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (fully Catholic) knows something about blessings and they said that non-liturgical blessings just were not possible. Had the pope bothered to consult with the UGCC (or the Orthodox for that matter) or any liturgists, they would have not 'made a mess' quite so badly.
 
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I can fully agree with paragraph 11 all by itself. But then in paragraph 31 they invent a 'non-liturgical blessing' of 'couples'. So there is doublespeak going on. The document could be fixed by uninventing non-liturgical blessings and not blessing 'couples' and having some real concern for the souls of these individuals caught up in 'irregular' situations. We SHOULD be helping people and not blessing the unblessable.

Paragraph 11 by itself is great. When paragraph 31 is added it is clear that paragraph 11 has a sneaky meaning. We can't and won't bless you (liturgically) but we will invent a way around that problem so we can bless you nonetheless. But the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (fully Catholic) knows something about blessings and they said that non-liturgical blessings just were not possible. Had the pope bothered to consult with the UGCC (or the Orthodox for that matter) or any liturgists, they would have not 'made a mess' quite so badly.
The ones seeking resolution from the Pope are possibly suggesting they would not bless a union as a marriage [like the Bishop? my memory isn't the best atm] who is telling the Pope the strides he is making with the LGBTQ etc ? and is allowing gay parades.
Does the Pope in actuality KNOW if their intent is not fully disclosed?
 
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The ones seeking resolution from the Pope are possibly suggesting they would not bless a union as a marriage [like the Bishop? my memory isn't the best atm] who is telling the Pope the strides he is making with the LGBTQ etc ? and is allowing gay parades.
Does the Pope in actuality KNOW if their intent is not fully disclosed?
The pope has his good friend James Martin, a fellow Jesuit, advising him on everything he needs to know.
 
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No doubt Fr James Martin truly believes the tempters how cruel and strident the rules are for those who only 'love' the same sex.
While telling same sex people how very loathed they are by their same sex parent and must seek them out in same sex partners in sexual contact.

Lust replaces love.
In every aspect of where love ought to be, lust is stealth as a replacement.

Then the tempters infiltrate through honestly 'well meaning intentions'...
based on how mean it is to be so 'against' such a sin and how awful it is to try to change.

etc
 
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