The Law Stands, it condemns us all.

[tzadik]

Actually Jesus told us what commandments are part of the New Covenant, so I do not need your list, but thank you anyways.

Please show me where Jesus tells us that all of God's commandments in the "Old testament" have been done away with and replaced with two commandments. (Ironically the two commandments you mention were given in the Old testament in the Law given through Moses).

Also, while you're at it, please show me where Jesus gives us any commandments, let alone two, linking them to the New Covenant. (You're the one always talking about inserting personal opinion in the Scriptures...)

 

[ToBeLoved]

Please show me where Jesus tells us that all of God's commandments in the "Old testament" have been done away with and replaced with two commandments. (Ironically the two commandments you mention were given in the Old testament in the Law given through Moses).

Also, while you're at it, please show me where Jesus gives us any commandments, let alone two, linking them to the New Covenant. (You're the one always talking about inserting personal opinion in the Scriptures...)

I would think you would know this, but for you.

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[tzadik]

I would think you would know this, but for you.

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I love this verse!

Jesus makes it clear that ALL of the Law and the prophets depend on loving God and loving your neighbor.
Without loving God and loving our neighbor, our obedience is completely worthless.
Obedience is 100% dependent on our love for God. In fact they go hand in hand.

New International Version
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

New Living Translation
The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."

English Standard Version
On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Berean Study Bible
All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."

Berean Literal Bible
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

New American Standard Bible
"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

King James Bible
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands."

International Standard Version
All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."

NET Bible
All the law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
On these two commands depend all The Written Law and The Prophets.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
All of Moses' Teachings and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."

New American Standard 1977
“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

King James 2000 Bible
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

American King James Version
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

American Standard Version
On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.

Douay-Rheims Bible
On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

Darby Bible Translation
On these two commandments the whole law and the prophets hang.

English Revised Version
On these two commandments hangeth the whole law, and the prophets.

Webster's Bible Translation
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Weymouth New Testament
The whole of the Law and the Prophets is summed up in these two Commandments."

World English Bible
The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

Young's Literal Translation
on these -- the two commands -- all the law and the prophets do hang.'

 

[bugkiller]

Unfortunately for you, the text clearly tells us that it's the Same Law (as God only has ONE set of Holy Instructions for His people) that will be used in the New Covenant; this time written on the hearts of the believers (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-28) "My Law (Torah)" is always translated as the one and only Instructions of the Father. There's no way around it.


God says do not profane God's name (Exodus 22:28). Do you?
God says hallow God's name (Leviticus 22:32). Do you?
God says "love God" (Deuteronomy 6:5). Do you?
God says "serve God" (Exodus 23:25). Do you?
God says "love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). Do you?
God says "take care of the poor" (Deuteronomy 24:19-20). Do you?
God says "honor your father and mother" (Exodus 20:12). Do you?
God says "not to have sexual relations with relatives" (Leviticus 18:6). Do you?
God says "do not wrong others when you buy and sell" (Leviticus 25:14). Do you?

Unfortunately you have a reading comprehension problem.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Please who me in the Scriptures where He shows you which commandments are for Jewish believers and which ones are specifically only for Gentile believers.
Last time I checked it was one body, one Lord, one baptism, one faith, one Spirit.
Either you are a son of God or your are not. Either you are part of God's Kingdom, subject to All of His Kingdom's rules or you are on the outside looking in.

There is a before and after. (Ephesians 2)
Before:
1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. 11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Comment in my previous post applies here .

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Perfect obedience.

Sorry but I didn't say anything about partial obedience.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The Law that "Condemns all" Romans 3:19-22 also "defines sin" 1 John 3:4 - and includes the TEN Commandments (Eph 6:2) -- and since it still "condemns all the world" -- it "still exists.

NOPE!!!

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans

bugkiller

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE tzadik, post: 69744408_______
Please who me in the Scriptures where He shows you which commandments are for Jewish believers and which ones are specifically only for Gentile believers.
Last time I checked it was one body, one Lord, one baptism, one faith, one Spirit.
Either you are a son of God or your are not. Either you are part of God's Kingdom, subject to All of His Kingdom's rules or you are on the outside looking in.

There is a before and after. (Ephesians 2)
Before:
1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. 11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. / QUOTE

There are still more strangers and aliens than sons.
Teaching the Kingdom Jesus and His disciples teach is not taught much in the usa,
though once in a while some little one seeks His Kingdom,
and though many try to prevent them from finding it,
God Promises that whoever seeks Him finds Him - God's Own Word.

So, all those He called and chose for Himself, do find Him. Beautifully and Perfectly Accomplished
by God through Jesus, though with a lot of persecution, pain and sorrow,
as well
as Perfect Peace, Untouchable Joy that no man can take away, Blamelessness before His Throne,
and the incredible free gift of Eternal Life !

 

[BobRyan]

I love this verse!

Jesus makes it clear that ALL of the Law and the prophets depend on loving God and loving your neighbor.
Without loving God and loving our neighbor, our obedience is completely worthless.
Obedience is 100% dependent on our love for God. In fact they go hand in hand.

New International Version
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

New Living Translation
The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."

English Standard Version
On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

That is true - excellent point. It just goes to show that "Bible details matter"!

 

[BobRyan]

Please show me where Jesus tells us that all of God's commandments in the "Old testament" have been done away with and replaced with two commandments. (Ironically the two commandments you mention were given in the Old testament in the Law given through Moses).

Indeed - as you point out - quoting Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:4 as the text that does away with the OT Word of God is a self-conflicted self-contradicting strategy often used against the Law of God.

 

[BobRyan]

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and 1 John 5:3 tells us that it's not hard to keep.
Plus common sense.
Please show me any commandments that God has given to man that is too hard to keep.

And so also 1 John 5:3-4

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world;

The NT writers insist that the "Commandments of God" are not a burden and do not support the "war against the LAW of God" that is so often promoted in some "camps".

 

[BobRyan]

I would think you would know this, but for you.

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

1.That is a statement made BEFORE the cross -- not after. And BEFORE the cross even the LAW-deniers will admit that the LAW of God was in full effect.

2. That is a quote of the OT - and in the OT we have the LAW of God in full effect -- even by the standards of the law-deniers.

How is this helping your argument? Even the JEWS agreed that the rock-solid immovable foundation for all the LAW and the prophets is found in these two OT commandments.

 

[BobRyan]

The Law that "Condemns all" Romans 3:19-22 also "defines sin" 1 John 3:4 - and includes the TEN Commandments (Eph 6:2) -- and since it still "condemns all the world" -- it "still exists.

NOPE!!!

Yep!

The condemnation on all the world - is only resolved when the individual chooses the gospel which proves that they were in fact subject to that condemnation and needed the solution. yep - every single one.

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans

And one cannot be released from condemnation that "does not exist" - ... it "exists".

The point remains.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The CHOICE to follow Jesus is rare, and results in the death of self, and resurrection life, God Willing.

Refusing to obey the Master indicates a person has not been crucified with Christ and is
not living by Faith in the Son of God Who Loves us and Gave Himself for us.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Indeed - as you point out - quoting Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:4 as the text that does away with the OT Word of God is a self-conflicted self-contradicting strategy often used against the Law of God.

Understanding who we are positionally in Christ is one of the most important things a Christian needs to learn. It puts them on firm ground, in Christ.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The CHOICE to follow Jesus is rare, and results in the death of self, and resurrection life, God Willing.

Refusing to obey the Master indicates a person has not been crucified with Christ and is
not living by Faith in the Son of God Who Loves us and Gave Himself for us.

You should read Romans 4, 5, 6 we have been crucified with Christ already and the old man is gone.

You should really understand this and how it relates to us.

 

[BobRyan]

Understanding who we are positionally in Christ is one of the most important things a Christian needs to learn. It puts them on firm ground, in Christ.

Understanding "sola scriptura" and that "all scripture is given by inspiration from God and is to be used for doctrine " 2Tim 3:16 is one of the most important things a Christian needs to learn to avoid unsound doctrine. The Gospel frees us from the condemnation of the still-existing still-valid Law of God and also creates a new heart made in harmony with God's Law rather than at war with it.

in Christ,
Bob

 

[BobRyan]

You should read Romans 4, 5, 6 we have been crucified with Christ already and the old man is gone.

You should really understand this and how it relates to us.

Romans 6 points out that the new creation - does not choose rebellion - "sin" for that which you obey is your master according to Romans 6.

 

[BABerean2]

That is true - excellent point. It just goes to show that "Bible details matter"!

I agree 100% and that includes not ignoring the scripture that does not agree with our doctrine.

Any doctrine which must ignore some scripture to make it work, is a doctrine of ignorance.

So far, I have not seen Judaisers give an explanation of the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians chapter 4.

.

 

[BobRyan]

I love this verse!

Jesus makes it clear that ALL of the Law and the prophets depend on loving God and loving your neighbor.
Without loving God and loving our neighbor, our obedience is completely worthless.
Obedience is 100% dependent on our love for God. In fact they go hand in hand.

New International Version
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

New Living Translation
The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."

English Standard Version
On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

That is true - excellent point. It just goes to show that "Bible details matter"!

I agree 100% and that includes not ignoring the scripture that does not agree with our doctrine.

Glad that there is finally a point of agreement.

Does not seem to happen that often between you and me.


Any doctrine which must ignore some scripture to make it work, is a doctrine of ignorance.

So far, I have not seen Judaizers on this board.

(unless it is your claim that C.H. Spurgeon, D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul are all "Judaizers" for claiming to support rather than condemn God's Ten Commandments)