The King of the North (Not Russia)

[Douggg]

I’m beginning to get the feeling now that the king of the North is Iran. Revelation 16 and 19 mention a false prophet, who is not mentioned before chapter 16. Iran is controlled by a Shi’ite Muslim religious teacher that calls for the destruction of America and the death of all Jews. The king of the South, in this case, is most likely Saudi Arabia, who was likely attacked by Hamas just before forming an economic alliance with Israel. Saudi Arabia and Iran are both religious governments seeking to unite the Middle East. Daniel 9:27 says the king (likely king of the North) will form an alliance with many to kickstart the 70th week of years. The many mentioned here are most likely the ten kings of Revelation 17, which I believe are the nations surrounding Israel (Psalm 83).

Thoughts?

Daniel 11:40-44 will take place near the end of the 7 years. While the kings of the north, south, and east are battling against the beast-king of the West..... the sign of the son of Man will appear in heaven, the sixth seal, and they will stop fighting each other to band together to make war on Jesus.

Then in Daniel 11:45, the beast king makes his final stand between the seas, for the Armageddon event. And Jesus descends to earth, to cast him into the lake of fire, along with the false prophet

 

[WilliamLhk]

I find it highly feasible that Turkey, who rules the territory ruled by the Seleucids, is the king of the North in Daniel 11:40-45.

The king of the north comes from a GRECO-ROMAN heritage, not a Turkish-Muslim one. Erdogan is systematically erasing Westernization from Turkey, making it more and more culturally Islamic.
The true descendants of the GRECO-ROMAN heritage are found in NATO. Those nations are becoming dependent on Middle Eastern oil, now that their Russian supply has dried up. That oil supply is threatened by Iran and it's proxies. Both the US and the major European NATO members are backing Israel, and also have close ties with Jordan and Saudi Arabia; both those nations (biblically Ammonites, Moabites, and Edomites) get a free pass in the KotN's invasion.
Also, the End Time prophecy of Balaam says that the invader's ships will come from Chittim (Num. 24:24), literally being Italy, but also used generally for the western coastlands. The Roman ships that came against Antiochus IV were "from Chittim." Dan. 11:30

 

[Marilyn C]

The war going on in Israel has caused many to revisit end-time prophecies and ponder if this is a sign the Times of the Gentiles is coming to a close. While I was pondering the idea of Gog of Magog and the king of the North being Russia, the evidence seemed to point to Turkey instead. This seems more plausible knowing that:

1) Turkey was the seat of the Roman Empire before the Ottoman Empire took Constantinople
2) The Ottoman rulers considered themselves Caesars of the Roman Empire
3) There is a stronger opposition of the existence of Israel among Muslims than among Russians
4) Turkey is trying to be a superpower in Middle Eastern affairs, with Erdogan even espousing desires to restore the Ottoman Empire

I find it highly feasible that Turkey, who rules the territory ruled by the Seleucids, is the king of the North in Daniel 11:40-45. Daniel 9:27 suggests that a covenant will be confirmed or strengthen for one seven, or seven years. I see this being the nations surrounding Israel, as called out in Psalm 83. These would be the ten horns of the beast of Revelation 17, or the ten toes of the image in Daniel 2. Could this war be the catalyst for that covenant, nearby kicking off the last seven years of the Times of the Gentiles?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Ex. 38: 15 `north` Heb. `tsaphon,` meaning hidden, only used of the north as a quarter. There is only one nation there - Russia.

 

[cwb01]

The war going on in Israel has caused many to revisit end-time prophecies and ponder if this is a sign the Times of the Gentiles is coming to a close. While I was pondering the idea of Gog of Magog and the king of the North being Russia, the evidence seemed to point to Turkey instead. This seems more plausible knowing that:

1) Turkey was the seat of the Roman Empire before the Ottoman Empire took Constantinople
2) The Ottoman rulers considered themselves Caesars of the Roman Empire
3) There is a stronger opposition of the existence of Israel among Muslims than among Russians
4) Turkey is trying to be a superpower in Middle Eastern affairs, with Erdogan even espousing desires to restore the Ottoman Empire

I find it highly feasible that Turkey, who rules the territory ruled by the Seleucids, is the king of the North in Daniel 11:40-45. Daniel 9:27 suggests that a covenant will be confirmed or strengthen for one seven, or seven years. I see this being the nations surrounding Israel, as called out in Psalm 83. These would be the ten horns of the beast of Revelation 17, or the ten toes of the image in Daniel 2. Could this war be the catalyst for that covenant, nearby kicking off the last seven years of the Times of the Gentiles?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

So Turkey is going to attack the end times king?

Daniel 11:40

And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

Yes, but Daniel 11:36-39 comes before the time of the end. I believe this is details the Caesars, who ruled over the Jews for over two thousand years

so you are taking the view that the "time of the end" is at the end of the Jewish nation and not at the time before Christ's return?

 

[Adventist Heretic]

verse 40 states this happens at the time of the end

“At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots,horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through.

the end of what the Jewish nation or the end of the World

 

[d taylor]

the end of what the Jewish nation or the end of the World

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End of the tribulation

 

[Adventist Heretic]

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End of the tribulation

would that be the destruction of the temple in AD 70 or the end of the world before the 1000 year regin.

 

[d taylor]

would that be the destruction of the temple in AD 70 or the end of the world before the 1000 year regin.

The end of the yet to happen 7 year tribulation

 

[The Liturgist]

The Bool of Danie, while directed at those in a different time and location, still holds lessons to be learned, but what it revealed is now past.

Look also at the context of the Revelation. It is simply this: 7 letters written to 7 Churches in Asia Minor (present day turkey), written with a lot of symbolism that would have been much easier for those contemporary to John could understand. I these letters he praises each Church for it's special gifts, admonishes them for their failings, and cautions them about their futures.

Here we are in present day; and while not written specifically for us, it still speaks to us directly regarding successes and short comings, and the same warnings apply to us today (our sinful nature keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again).

When we look to it for predictive prophecy (since just about everything in The Revelation has come to pass for those seven Churches (BTW, there is only one of the seven that still exists, that is the Church a Mira (Ismir Turkey; St. Nicholals' Church The same Bishop Nicholas who punched Arius at the Nicene council. Even then Jolly old St. Nick knew who was naughty and who was nice). The prophases already came to pass for 6 of the seven Churches.

For those who become distracted by trying to decipher meaning to predict the future, Daniel and Revelation are working just as the devil wants it to; to distract attention away from the Law, Gospel, and Sacraments.

If you want to know God's will regarding knowledge of the sequence of events, look to Scripture and it is abundantly evident that God is keeping that to Himself; and flatly tells us that no one will know, and that it will be both a shot and a surprise when it does happen.

Using these books and other "Apocalyptic" texts to predict future events is, IMO, no different than using a crystal ball, Oji board, tarot cards, or a lucky 8-Ball to discern God's Will and his plan for this world and mankind.

Scripture tells us that we all are to be ready at all times; we therefore, despite our predisposition to sin must work to have our souls and our lives set right with God.

Spread the Gospel, and stop being lead and leading others away from it using the greatest tool the devil has; fear, and chaos.

This is a good point, and that is that excessive speculation about prophecy does distract people from evangelization including self-evangelization.