The Jews...Western History’s Piñata

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Galatians 3:28-29 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.” The Promise that Verse 29 refers to is the promise that God made to Abraham and his Jewish offspring. So, we are all one in our standing before God, whether by lineage or by the choice of our forefathers past and recent, and ourselves. And speaking of lineage, Matthew 1:1-17 shows that Jesus descended from David, who in turn descended from Abraham.

Why the animosity by many Europeans throughout the centuries toward the Jews? Were the pagans jealous that Jesus was born among Jewish people instead of among people like themselves? Did they wonder why Jesus’ lineage was from Abraham instead of, say, Atilla the Hun?

Throughout history, the Jews have absorbed the wrath of other people, and for various reasons. Some motivations include jealousy, envy, and raw anger. Even today, there is anger against the Jews of Israel who are defending themselves against enemies at their border. Not a word is mentioned about the Israeli, ne Jewish civilians killed by those enemies; only when the Jews took action do we hear criticism. And that criticism is leveled against the Jews. Reminds me of the crooked wrestling matches you sometimes see on TV, in which the villain fights dirty, but it is only when the good guy fights dirty in kind that the referee steps in. Those who are critical of the Jews in Israel defending themselves are like that referee.

And that criticism has made its way to America, where people, including college students who supposedly hold knowledge in their hands, are engaged in antisemitism, threatening American Jews. I guess, when you’ve seen one piñata you’ve seen them all.

But even before what is going on now, for centuries many in Europe made the Jews their piñata. The Jews seem to have fared better in Asia, where they were prominent in trade and commerce. And countries like Japan took in Jewish refugees, saving them from the Holocaust going on in Europe in the 30’s and 40’s.

And it wasn’t everyone in Europe who disdained the Jews. Those with business relationships with them, and who borrowed money from them, including the nobility and the countries’ leadership, held them in much higher regard than everyone else who didn’t have such dealings with them. What Europeans were against the Jews? It included the Christian clergy and the pagans whom the clergy were making into Christians. The Christian clergy had to do something to draw the pagans away from the Jews, so as a result the clergy demonized the Jews, literally as well as figuratively. The Christian clergy ostensibly held all Jews responsible for killing Jesus, despite the fact that many Jews, including many of Jesus’ original disciples, converted to Christianity. And the Crusades apparently took their cue from the Christian clergy and engaged in wholesale massacres of Jews throughout Europe.

Yes, there were other people who were persecuted. But, for instance, were the forefathers of the slaves in America persecuted for centuries? Were the Irish, who were initially treated harshly by Americans who were already here, persecuted for centuries? Some may argue that Christians are being persecuted in Moslem countries. But are they prone to being persecuted in America and in Europe like the Jews are?

Apparently, amidst calls of ‘Never again’ after the Holocaust, antisemitism didn’t die, it was just lying dormant. And now, in places like America, the piñata has arisen once again in the form of Israel’s war against its bordering enemies, accentuating antisemitism in Europe and the U.S.

The only analogy to this antisemitism among those who refer to themselves as Christians may be the sons of Adam and Eve. There, Cain, despite being Abel’s brother, kills him, perhaps out of jealousy. They were part of one family, inasmuch as Galatians 3:28-29 holds us as part of one family, yet that hasn’t stopped one sector of the family from persecuting and killing the other sector.

What is ironic is that even if some Jews were involved in killing Jesus, is Jesus not in God’s Kingdom, waiting for us when our souls are called? And is there any recorded history in which Jews systematically marginalized, disenfranchised and killed Christians for centuries? If so, at any time, it was when the Jews were attacked. And if instead of Cain killing Abel, Abel killed Cain in self-defense, would anyone hold it against Abel?

We see that the idea of “Never again” has turned out to be just a hope instead of a reality. From what we’ve seen in America and Europe, we can be sure that, even if the Middle East situation is eventually resolved, the piñata will rise once again, goading people in America and Europe into attacking the Jews. They say that those who don’t learn from history will repeat it. When will we ever learn?
 
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Galatians 3:28-29 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.” The Promise that Verse 29 refers to is the promise that God made to Abraham and his Jewish offspring. So, we are all one in our standing before God, whether by lineage or by the choice of our forefathers past and recent, and ourselves. And speaking of lineage, Matthew 1:1-17 shows that Jesus descended from David, who in turn descended from Abraham.

Why the animosity by many Europeans throughout the centuries toward the Jews? Were the pagans jealous that Jesus was born among Jewish people instead of among people like themselves? Did they wonder why Jesus’ lineage was from Abraham instead of, say, Atilla the Hun?
You really don't now why the animosity to the Jews in the light of Alexandria's influence in making Christianity nearly the world religion?
In the light of Christianity, Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ are enemies of God.
As such, much of the world did not regard them kindly.
Throughout history, the Jews have absorbed the wrath of other people, and for various reasons. Some motivations include jealousy, envy, and raw anger. Even today, there is anger against the Jews of Israel who are defending themselves against enemies at their border. Not a word is mentioned about the Israeli, ne Jewish civilians killed by those enemies; only when the Jews took action do we hear criticism. And that criticism is leveled against the Jews. Reminds me of the crooked wrestling matches you sometimes see on TV, in which the villain fights dirty, but it is only when the good guy fights dirty in kind that the referee steps in. Those who are critical of the Jews in Israel defending themselves are like that referee.

And that criticism has made its way to America, where people, including college students who supposedly hold knowledge in their hands, are engaged in antisemitism, threatening American Jews. I guess, when you’ve seen one piñata you’ve seen them all.

But even before what is going on now, for centuries many in Europe made the Jews their piñata. The Jews seem to have fared better in Asia, where they were prominent in trade and commerce. And countries like Japan took in Jewish refugees, saving them from the Holocaust going on in Europe in the 30’s and 40’s.

And it wasn’t everyone in Europe who disdained the Jews. Those with business relationships with them, and who borrowed money from them, including the nobility and the countries’ leadership, held them in much higher regard than everyone else who didn’t have such dealings with them. What Europeans were against the Jews? It included the Christian clergy and the pagans whom the clergy were making into Christians. The Christian clergy had to do something to draw the pagans away from the Jews, so as a result the clergy demonized the Jews, literally as well as figuratively. The Christian clergy ostensibly held all Jews responsible for killing Jesus, despite the fact that many Jews, including many of Jesus’ original disciples, converted to Christianity. And the Crusades apparently took their cue from the Christian clergy and engaged in wholesale massacres of Jews throughout Europe.

Yes, there were other people who were persecuted. But, for instance, were the forefathers of the slaves in America persecuted for centuries? Were the Irish, who were initially treated harshly by Americans who were already here, persecuted for centuries? Some may argue that Christians are being persecuted in Moslem countries. But are they prone to being persecuted in America and in Europe like the Jews are?

Apparently, amidst calls of ‘Never again’ after the Holocaust, antisemitism didn’t die, it was just lying dormant. And now, in places like America, the piñata has arisen once again in the form of Israel’s war against its bordering enemies, accentuating antisemitism in Europe and the U.S.

The only analogy to this antisemitism among those who refer to themselves as Christians may be the sons of Adam and Eve. There, Cain, despite being Abel’s brother, kills him, perhaps out of jealousy. They were part of one family, inasmuch as Galatians 3:28-29 holds us as part of one family, yet that hasn’t stopped one sector of the family from persecuting and killing the other sector.

What is ironic is that even if some Jews were involved in killing Jesus, is Jesus not in God’s Kingdom, waiting for us when our souls are called? And is there any recorded history in which Jews systematically marginalized, disenfranchised and killed Christians for centuries? If so, at any time, it was when the Jews were attacked. And if instead of Cain killing Abel, Abel killed Cain in self-defense, would anyone hold it against Abel?

We see that the idea of “Never again” has turned out to be just a hope instead of a reality. From what we’ve seen in America and Europe, we can be sure that, even if the Middle East situation is eventually resolved, the piñata will rise once again, goading people in America and Europe into attacking the Jews. They say that those who don’t learn from history will repeat it. When will we ever learn?
 
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You really don't now why the animosity to the Jews in the light of Alexandria's influence in making Christianity nearly the world religion?
In the light of Christianity, Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ are enemies of God.
As such, much of the world did not regard them kindly.
Jesus’ parents took the child Jesus to Egypt, probably entering through the port city of Alexandria, off the Mediterranean Sea, because King Herod, being told that Jesus would grow up to be king of the Jews, wanted to kill him. This is related in Matthew 2:2-5, and Matthew 2:13.

Beyond these passages, nothing much is mentioned of the people of Egypt itself. Seems the only influence Alexandria may have had of the fate of the Jews as far as Jesus was concerned, is its role as an entry port and nothing more. In other words, there is no indication of Egypt asserting that the Jews are the enemy of God. Such an assertion, by anyone, may be true only to the extent of King Herod, who was Jewish.
 
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Jesus’ parents took the child Jesus to Egypt, probably entering through the port city of Alexandria, off the Mediterranean Sea, because King Herod, being told that Jesus would grow up to be king of the Jews, wanted to kill him. This is related in Matthew 2:2-5, and Matthew 2:13.

Beyond these passages, nothing much is mentioned of the people of Egypt itself. Seems the only influence Alexandria may have had of the fate of the Jews as far as Jesus was concerned, is its role as an entry port and nothing more. In other words, there is no indication of Egypt asserting that the Jews are the enemy of God. Such an assertion, by anyone, may be true only to the extent of King Herod, who was Jewish.
It was the spread of the gospel under Alexandria which "Christianized" the world, resulting in a resentment for the Jews because of their rejection and murder of the Christ (Ac 8:52).
That resentment still lingers throughout the world, and is one of the reasons for animosity to the Jews.
The major one is the Palestinians.
 
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It was the spread of the gospel under Alexandria which "Christianized" the world, resulting in a resentment for the Jews because of their rejection and murder of the Christ (Ac 8:52).
Not sure what you are referring to, if you’re implying there is an Acts 8:52. Acts 8 only goes up to Verse 40, so I can’t address any further your post above until you can provide more information. The hyperlink you provided, Ac 8:52, takes me to Acts 8:40.
 
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Not sure what you are referring to, if you’re implying there is an Acts 8:52. Acts 8 only goes up to Verse 40, so I can’t address any further your post above until you can provide more information. The hyperlink you provided, Ac 8:52, takes me to Acts 8:40.
Well. . .that's 'cause it's Ac 7:52. . .guess I gave that hyperlink a run for its money.
 
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You really don't now why the animosity to the Jews in the light of Alexandria's influence in making Christianity nearly the world religion?
In the light of Christianity, Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ are enemies of God.
As such, much of the world did not regard them kindly.
Well, the proper behavior of all Christians would be to love your enemy or at least bless them. But it does seem unnatural for the dislike of the Jews. Persecution against Jews has been going on for a loooong time.
 
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Well, the proper behavior of all Christians would be to love your enemy or at least bless them. But it does seem unnatural for the dislike of the Jews. Persecution against Jews has been going on for a loooong time.
That Christians would not "be in favor of" those who reject Christ seems unnatural to you?
 
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Then what's your understanding of love your enemies?
The same as in the parable of the Good Samaritan.

To be committed to the well being of my neighbor as I am committed to my own.
It's not about affection, it's about caring for his well-being.
 
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Well. . .that's 'cause it's Ac 7:52. . .guess I gave that hyperlink a run for its money.
So it was.

As Acts 7:52 seems to allude to, Judas betrayed Jesus and turned him over to the Jews, who in turn turned him over to the Romans, who in turn crucified him. Gee, why haven’t those who lived in Rome for centuries thereafter been persecuted along with the Jews all this time? There’s no Anti-Italianism, or anti-Romanism, nest pas? And as it turned out, perhaps in accordance with, coincidentally, Romans 8:28, concerning Jesus’ crucifixion, all things worked together for good. Jesus, through his spirit, promoted a new understanding and faith in God, going beyond the elementary doctrine he started with and was referred to in Hebrews 6:1.

But nobody has anything against the people of Rome, just against the Jews. Fact is, we are beyond understanding why there is an instinctive and inherent hatred of Jews. It’s become as commonplace as cancer, and it seems that anti-Semiticism won’t be eradicated through understanding it, any more than cancer could be eradicated by understanding it.
 
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So it was.

As Acts 7:52 seems to allude to, Judas betrayed Jesus and turned him over to the Jews, who in turn turned him over to the Romans, who in turn crucified him. Gee, why haven’t those who lived in Rome for centuries thereafter been persecuted along with the Jews all this time?
You think Jesus was sent to the Romans?
You don't know that the Romans executed Jesus at the request of the Jewish religious leaders because they were not allowed to execute anyone?
Why do you think the Scriptures state that the "Jews murdered Jesus (Ac 7:52) with the help of evil men (Ac 2:23)"?
There’s no Anti-Italianism, or anti-Romanism, nest pas? And as it turned out, perhaps in accordance with, coincidentally, Romans 8:28, concerning Jesus’ crucifixion, all things worked together for good. Jesus, through his spirit, promoted a new understanding and faith in God, going beyond the elementary doctrine he started with and was referred to in Hebrews 6:1.

But nobody has anything against the people of Rome, just against the Jews.
And you don't see a difference between executing a religious "criminal" by the Romans at the request of the Jews whom they governed, and the Jews betraying and executing their own Messiah, both in one and the same man?
Amazing!
Scripture certainly does (Ac 7:52).
Fact is, we are beyond understanding why there is an instinctive and inherent hatred of Jews. It’s become as commonplace as cancer, and it seems that anti-Semiticism won’t be eradicated through understanding it, any more than cancer could be eradicated by understanding it.
And one will never understand why by burying their head in the sand regarding the historical Biblical issue.

Keeping in mind that rejection of the Messiah is God's business, not ours.
 
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And you don't see a difference between executing a religious "criminal" by the Romans at the request of the Jews whom they governed, and the Jews betraying and executing their own Messiah, both in one and the same man?
The Romans were accomplices. Accomplices are often as guilty as the accused.

In any event, Ezekiel 18:20 says, "...The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." If Jesus' death is the reason there is antisemitism to this day, then those who in the centuries that follow think they believe in God, are ignoring this passage. Are there any recorded events thereafter in which Jews raided Christian churches, killing the religious leaders? I tell you, those who practice antisemitism who use Jesus' killing as a reason, are using that as an excuse. As to others who are antisemitic...they react to Jews the way an ordinary person would react to seeing a pinata by picking up a stick to beat it. Those others do it at least figuratively.

FYI, In 1965, the Vatican II council approved a new official teaching document called Nostra Aetate, which condemned antisemitism and renounced the myth that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus 1

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Straw man. . .

The guilt of the Romans is not being denied.
One of the inquisitions against the Jews was carried out in Italy, the country in whom many forefathers were accomplices in Jesus' death. Yet those inquisitors went after the Jews when their forefathers were the ones who actually pulled the trigger, so to speak. Your claim that the Jews are the only ethnic group being picked on because of their involvement in Jesus death, does not justify their being persecuted for centuries, though it seems many believe that such persecution of the Jews for what happened centuries ago is justified, no matter what they know. Ironically, the Italian Inquisitors were for all intents and purposes in denial of their forefathers' role in Jesus' death, pointing their fingers at the Jews, saying 'They did it.'
 
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