The Indwelling-Gift of the Holy Spirit

[Hermeneutico]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit also referred to as the baptism with/in/by the Holy Spirit, was understood as an event after water baptism throughout Church History up to the Reformation. It was considered the time the Holy Spirit indwells a believer. During the Reformation, a novel view emerged that taught that a person receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at regeneration (Calvin) or when a person is water-baptized (Luther). Most evangelicals today affirm the Calvinist position on this matter. Lutherans and the Church of Christ hold that one receives the Gift of the Holy Spirit automatically at water baptism. Most classical Pentecostals, coming out of the evangelical stream of Christianity, created a partial-reception idea foreign to Reformation theology, Historical Theology, and the Bible. They were the first to separate the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the Gift of the Holy Spirit. It appears that in their mind, they wanted to remain in the Evangelical camp while acknowledging that a post-conversion event takes place throughout the book of Acts.

The Biblical position and the Historical position agree. The Gift of the Holy Spirit and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit are the same event but are only received after coming to faith first.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit also referred to as the baptism with/in/by the Holy Spirit, was understood as an event after water baptism throughout Church History up to the Reformation. It was considered the time the Holy Spirit indwells a believer. During the Reformation, a novel view emerged that taught that a person receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at regeneration (Calvin) or when a person is water-baptized (Luther). Most evangelicals today affirm the Calvinist position on this matter. Lutherans and the Church of Christ hold that one receives the Gift of the Holy Spirit automatically at water baptism. Most classical Pentecostals, coming out of the evangelical stream of Christianity, created a partial-reception idea foreign to Reformation theology, Historical Theology, and the Bible. They were the first to separate the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the Gift of the Holy Spirit. It appears that in their mind, they wanted to remain in the Evangelical camp while acknowledging that a post-conversion event takes place throughout the book of Acts.

The Biblical position and the Historical position agree. The Gift of the Holy Spirit and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit are the same event but are only received after coming to faith first.

Agree. One point though, once a beliver receives His Holy Spirit upon conversion, there are "gifts" given per His will. Blessings.

 

[Hermeneutico]

Agree. One point though, once a beliver receives His Holy Spirit upon conversion,
there are "gifts" given per His will. Blessings.

Hello Sister,

You may have read what I wrote too quickly. I do not believe that Scripture teaches that one receives the Holy Spirit at conversion. That view is a novel view that began at the Reformation.

Blessings

 

[HTacianas]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit also referred to as the baptism with/in/by the Holy Spirit, was understood as an event after water baptism throughout Church History up to the Reformation. It was considered the time the Holy Spirit indwells a believer. During the Reformation, a novel view emerged that taught that a person receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at regeneration (Calvin) or when a person is water-baptized (Luther). Most evangelicals today affirm the Calvinist position on this matter. Lutherans and the Church of Christ hold that one receives the Gift of the Holy Spirit automatically at water baptism. Most classical Pentecostals, coming out of the evangelical stream of Christianity, created a partial-reception idea foreign to Reformation theology, Historical Theology, and the Bible. They were the first to separate the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the Gift of the Holy Spirit. It appears that in their mind, they wanted to remain in the Evangelical camp while acknowledging that a post-conversion event takes place throughout the book of Acts.

The Biblical position and the Historical position agree. The Gift of the Holy Spirit and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit are the same event but are only received after coming to faith first.

Biblically and historically a person received the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands by an apostle, or someone granted the gift of conveying the Holy Spirit. The writer to the Hebrews spelled out what he called the elementary principles of Christ:

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Notice that he writes as the elementary principles, repentance, faith, baptism, and the laying on of hands. It is through the laying on of hands that a person receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. See also the men of Samaria at Acts 8. Philip went to Samaria and found believers, then baptized them in water. Later he sent for John and Peter to lay hands on the men. John and Peter had that gift, and is the gift Simon Magus attempted to buy from them.

 

[Hermeneutico]

Biblically and historically a person received the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands by an apostle, or someone granted the gift of conveying the Holy Spirit. The writer to the Hebrews spelled out what he called the elementary principles of Christ:

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Notice that he writes as the elementary principles, repentance, faith, baptism, and the laying on of hands. It is through the laying on of hands that a person receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. See also the men of Samaria at Acts 8. Philip went to Samaria and found believers, then baptized them in water. Later he sent for John and Peter to lay hands on the men. John and Peter had that gift, and is the gift Simon Magus attempted to buy from them.

Hello,
1. Biblically, a person did not always receive the Holy Spirit by laying on hands by an apostle (Acts 2, 9; 10).
2. Scripture nowhere teaches the "gift of conveying the Holy Spirit."
3. I agree with Hebrews 6:1-2. Wrote a handbook on that section for church discipleship.
4. Certainly, John and Peter laid hands on the Samaritans in order to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings

 

[tonychanyt]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit also referred to as the baptism with/in/by the Holy Spirit

verse?

 

[Hermeneutico]

verse?

Hello Tony,

According to Scripture, the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4) is called being baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5), which is a time when the Holy Spirit comes upon His People (Acts 1:8), filling them (Acts 2:4), because He is being poured out (Acts 2:17) and shed forth (Acts 2:33) upon them. Peter calls this same event receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), which is speaking of the time that the Holy Spirit would no longer be WITH the disciples but be IN (indwell) them (John 14:17). In fact, Peter himself exchanged the phrase "baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 11:16) for "gift" of the Spirit" (Acts 11:17) and the "Holy Spirit fell on them" (Acts 11:15), which Luke recorded as “the Holy Spirit fell” (Acts 10:44), “the Gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out” (Acts 10:45), and they “received the Holy Spirit just as we have” (Acts 10:47).

 

[HTacianas]

Hello,
1. Biblically, a person did not always receive the Holy Spirit by laying on hands by an apostle (Acts 2, 9; 10).
2. Scripture nowhere teaches the "gift of conveying the Holy Spirit."
3. I agree with Hebrews 6:1-2. Wrote a handbook on that section for church discipleship.
4. Certainly, John and Peter laid hands on the Samaritans in order to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings

Acts 2:9-10 was the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the apostles. The men of Samaria at Acts 8 did not receive the Holy Spirit until the John and Peter laid hands on them. And yes, there is the gift of conveying the Holy Spirit, see Acts 8:16-21. See also Acts 19:1-6.

 

[tonychanyt]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit are the same event

verse?

 

[Hermeneutico]

verse?

Hi Tony,

According to Scripture, the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4) is called being baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5), which is a time when the Holy Spirit comes upon His People (Acts 1:8), filling them (Acts 2:4) because He is being poured out (Acts 2:17) and shed forth (Acts 2:33) upon them. Peter calls this same event receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), which is speaking of the time that the Holy Spirit would no longer be WITH the disciples but be IN (indwell) them (John 14:17). In fact, Peter himself exchanged the phrase "baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 11:16) for "gift" of the Spirit" (Acts 11:17) and the "Holy Spirit fell on them" (Acts 11:15), which Luke recorded as “the Holy Spirit fell” (Acts 10:44), “the Gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out” (Acts 10:45), and they “received the Holy Spirit just as we have” (Acts 10:47).

Blessings

 

[Hermeneutico]

Acts 2:9-10 was the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the apostles. The men of Samaria at Acts 8 did not receive the Holy Spirit until the John and Peter laid hands on them. And yes, there is the gift of conveying the Holy Spirit, see Acts 8:16-21. See also Acts 19:1-6.

Hello,
Yes, the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit took place in Acts chapter 2, but the paradigm does not change. Yes, John and Peter laid hands on the Samaritans. However, it is only an assumption, not a confirmed truth, that there is a gift of conveying the Holy Spirit. One is free to believe that Scripture teaches a particular thing. I do my best to rely upon the evidence as understood in basic conservative hermeneutics.
Blessings

 

[tonychanyt]

Hi Tony,

According to Scripture, the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4) is called being baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5), which is a time when the Holy Spirit comes upon His People (Acts 1:8), filling them (Acts 2:4)

Are you saying that the filling of the Spirit is the same as the indwelling of the Spirit?

 

[concretecamper]

The Gift of the Holy Spirit also referred to as the baptism with/in/by the Holy Spirit, was understood as an event after water baptism throughout Church History up to the Reformation.

This view has been popular only in the past 125 years or so.

 

[HTacianas]

Hello,
Yes, the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit took place in Acts chapter 2, but the paradigm does not change. Yes, John and Peter laid hands on the Samaritans. However, it is only an assumption, not a confirmed truth, that there is a gift of conveying the Holy Spirit. One is free to believe that Scripture teaches a particular thing. I do my best to rely upon the evidence as understood in basic conservative hermeneutics.
Blessings

That is not merely an assumption. It is the practice of all of the Apostolic Churches. Also see Acts 19:1-6.

 

[Hermeneutico]

Are you saying that the filling of the Spirit is the same as the indwelling of the Spirit?

Hello Tony,

Yes. Additionally, I am saying that each word I listed above has its specific definition, yet, the Holy Spirit converged them into a singular event to express the many dimensional aspects of receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit. This convergence does not necessarily mean absolute convergence, for each word retains its independent meaning. However, each specific word overlaps enough to express the moment one receives the Spirit Himself in human terms.

Blessings

 

[Hermeneutico]

This view has been popular only in the past 125 years or so.

Hello,

That is not historically accurate. I have quotes from many church fathers, old catechisms, and even some old confessions, all older than 125 years ago. Perhaps I misunderstand you.

Blessings.

 

[Hermeneutico]

Are you saying that the filling of the Spirit is the same as the indwelling of the Spirit?

Hello,

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying.

 

[Hermeneutico]

That is not merely an assumption. It is the practice of all of the Apostolic Churches. Also see Acts 19:1-6.

Hello,

I am not saying that it is not a practice. I am merely saying that Scripture has examples where it does not take place by an apostle.

Blessings.

 

[HTacianas]

Hello,

I am not saying that it is not a practice. I am merely saying that Scripture has examples where it does not take place by an apostle.

Blessings.

There is no case in the new testament that a person received the Holy Spirit outside the presence of an apostle.

 

[Hermeneutico]

There is no case in the new testament that a person received the Holy Spirit outside the presence of an apostle.

Yes, there is... Saul, long before he was an apostle, had hands laid upon him to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit by Ananias.