I'm A True Believer But I'm Also Agnostic At The Same Time
That's possibly one of the best definitions of true belief I have ever heard.
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I'm A True Believer But I'm Also Agnostic At The Same Time
I'm an 8, though I push that 1 is the true Literalist standpoint and so should be adopted by all literalists, however I Know that God could have created the world in 6 days I also just decided that God could in fact view the earth as a flat object due to differences in perception.
The only doctrinal issue for me is the creation of Adam and Eve and the need for justification argument of Paul in Romans 5.
I differ from other TEs in that I think that a historical Adam is necessary for Paul's argument in Romans 5. Just as Christ is our federal head and his righteousness is imputed to us, so too as Adam is our federal head his unrighteousness was imputed to us. I would concede however that Paul's use of language doesn't necessarily make that absolutely watertight from Rom 5.
That's possibly one of the best definitions of true belief I have ever heard.
I for one am looking forward to sitting in the replay room in Heaven, and seeing how God really did it and going, "Ohhhh, so *THAT'S* how it happened! It makes so much sense now!"
In the meantime, I'm undecided. I probably fit somewhere between 5 and 6 though. I believe Adam and Eve, and Noah, and Abraham were all real historical people, just as the Bible describes. But as to whether the earth is thousands or billions of years old, or whether every living thing was created in 6 literal days, or over millions of years, I see it as a minor point, and not worth spending a lot of time arguing about.
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6. Theistic Evolutionists (with a literal Adam and Eve) - believe in an old earth and universe, but accept that God used evolution as part of His creation, basically as science describes it. But they feel that there was a literal Adam and Eve in a literal Garden. Some attribute this Adam and Eve to an instance of special creation, others to election as "representatives", etc. Also believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.
7. Theistic Evolutionists (no literal Adam and Eve, but biogenesis) - believe that Man evolved along with the other species (pursuant to God’s plan), but that the initial spark of life was immediately God induced. Some even push this forward to some mass special creation of a variety of "kinds" around the Cambrian period, with all the species evolving from there.
8. Theistic Evolutionists (abiogenesis) - God created everything and established the full system of natural laws upon with the universe and the earth would work. And it did. With life arising at the time and place He had known it would, etc.
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Vance said:There is currently a spectrum of belief regarding origins, and this is tied loosely to how literal one reads Scripture and/or the degree to which one is willing to allow the evidence of Gods Creation inform their beliefs *about* that Creation. We must keep in mind that every position except the one on top, the Flat-earthers, involves a certain degree of allowance of scientific knowledge to influence Scriptural interpretation.
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So, where do you fit in? I dont necessarily want everyone to post their "number", but it is interesting to see it all laid out like this. If any have suggestions or tweaks to make to the this list, go ahead and say so.
There is currently a spectrum of belief regarding origins, and this is tied loosely to how literal one reads Scripture and/or the degree to which one is willing to allow the evidence of Gods Creation inform their beliefs *about* that Creation. We must keep in mind that every position except the one on top, the Flat-earthers, involves a certain degree of allowance of scientific knowledge to influence Scriptural interpretation.
1. Flat-earthers - believe that a plain reading of Scripture indicates that the earth is flat. Very few still hold on to this belief.
2. Geocentrists - believe that the sun and all the stars .....
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Food for thought:
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-specific-person.7878086/page-9#post-67519613
That's possibly one of the best definitions of true belief I have ever heard.