The Easter that was not Easter

[Peace Keeper]

This is the right timeline, He was cut off in the midst of the week (Wednesday)

 

[ewq1938]

This is the right timeline, He was cut off in the midst of the week (Wednesday)

The middle of a week is Tuesday night not Wednesday. That prophecy from Daniel is not related to Christ.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He ate it at the right time, night of the 14th when it was almost the 15th. After that night was the beginning of the 7 days of the Passover celebration which is the unleavened bread. But the Passover and eating of it was late on the 14th.

Then you are saying He was NOT crucified when the Passover lambs were killed. You had to kill the lambs BEFORE you ate Passover...roll eyes here

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This is the right timeline, He was cut off in the midst of the week (Wednesday)

No that is not the timeline. It did not have to be three 24hr periods. Part of a day is counted as a full day in 2nd Temple Judaism. The sign was not a time period, it was the resurrection. Nobody would care if a man who died was in the tomb for 3 days. The miracle and sign was the resurrection. He also claimed "in 3 days", "on the 3rd day"...
He died on the day of preparation (Friday), rested in the tomb on the Sabbath (Saturday) and resurrected sometime after sunset (Sunday, the first day of the week).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes but it was a Saturday Sabbath because Christ rose on a Sunday, the first day of the week.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

"for THAT Sabbath was a HIGH day"....THAT Saturday was a High Holy Day...the 15th..Passover (1st day of unleavened).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A Sabbath day doesn't always mean the 7th day/Saturday, God's Holy Days had Sabbaths also on top of the 7th day Sabbath. It was a high day like it says, because it was the first day of Unleavened Bread, the first and seventh day of Unleavened bread is to be holy convocations and no regular work should be done on them.

So you are saying that it means "that high day was a high day"? It says "that SABBATH was also a HIGH DAY"...that Saturday was also a Holy day...Passover, the first day of unleavened. Friday, the day before, was the "day of preparation".

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He ate it at the right time, night of the 14th when it was almost the 15th. After that night was the beginning of the 7 days of the Passover celebration which is the unleavened bread. But the Passover and eating of it was late on the 14th.

Anytime AFTER sunset WAS the 15th...so what you are saying is that Yeshua was crucified a day AFTER the lambs were slain?

 

[Catherineanne]

The Pasha or Easter celebration was always a remembrance of our Lord's resurrection. He rose on the feast of Firstfruits as the firstfruit from the dead. First fruits is always the weekly 1st day following Passover in the feast of Unleavened Bread.

IMO it is very important that we celebrate this on the correct day. ALL the early church celebrated the resurrection memorial on this day (even the RC) for centuries. Actual Pasha?Easter this year will be April 24th...remember His death on Passover and celebrate His resurrection on the feast of firstfruits.

In His love

Paul

Why do you think it is 'very important' to get the day right? Do you think it matters to God?

Second, why do you think that you have it right, and others have it wrong?

 

[Catherineanne]

Wow, you are still avoiding the word "Easter"? I wonder why you would do that.

You seem very concerned with the word Easter. It is a Germanic word, used in English speaking countries to indicate the Christian Feast of the Death and Resurrection of the Lord.

Whatever pagan roots it may have had are long gone now, apart from daft attempts by some to pretend that Easter is a pagan festival. It isn't.

There are pagan roots for the days of the week, months of the year and points of the compass; that doesn't make them pagan festivals. Most river names derive from pagan gods; that doesn't make our rives pagan. All it means is that some words have staying power, and names will tend to be the strongest of all. The name remains long after the person has been forgotten.

 

[ewq1938]

Then you are saying He was NOT crucified when the Passover lambs were killed. You had to kill the lambs BEFORE you ate Passover...roll eyes here

The lambs could be killed before Passover or when it began. All that matters is it was all eaten by morning. Jesus ate the Passover and was also our Passover lamb slain on Passover.

 

[ewq1938]

"for THAT Sabbath was a HIGH day"....THAT Saturday was a High Holy Day...the 15th..Passover (1st day of unleavened).

That Saturday was the Sabbath during the Passover week. That's why it was a high day. Saturday was not Passover.

 

[ewq1938]

Anytime AFTER sunset WAS the 15th...so what you are saying is that Yeshua was crucified a day AFTER the lambs were slain?

He was crucified on the 15th many hours after eating the Passover.

 

[ewq1938]

You seem very concerned with the word Easter. It is a Germanic word, used in English speaking countries to indicate the Christian Feast of the Death and Resurrection of the Lord.

Whatever pagan roots it may have had are long gone now, apart from daft attempts by some to pretend that Easter is a pagan festival. It isn't.

As long as there are bunnies and eggs resurrection Sunday will always be polluted with paganism.

 

[Peace Keeper]

No that is not the timeline. It did not have to be three 24hr periods. Part of a day is counted as a full day in 2nd Temple Judaism. The sign was not a time period, it was the resurrection. Nobody would care if a man who died was in the tomb for 3 days. The miracle and sign was the resurrection. He also claimed "in 3 days", "on the 3rd day"...
He died on the day of preparation (Friday), rested in the tomb on the Sabbath (Saturday) and resurrected sometime after sunset (Sunday, the first day of the week).

38 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:38-40

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

38 "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:38-40

Again, the sign was not that Jonah got eaten or that Yeshua died...why would THAT be a sign? It was that they both SURVIVED death and came back ALIVE.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He was crucified on the 15th many hours after eating the Passover.

SO again, you are saying that Yeshua was crucified AFTER eating the Passover. You do know that the lambs have to be sacrificed BEFORE anyone can eat the seder meal??

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The lambs could be killed before Passover or when it began. All that matters is it was all eaten by morning. Jesus ate the Passover and was also our Passover lamb slain on Passover.

So when was Yeshua sacrificed, at night? If he ate the passover, then when were the lambs for passover killed? Your math just does not add up. You can keep repeating something but that does not make it true or even possible! Just because you say 1 + 1 = 5 does not make it true. I am sorry, but I can not continue having a discussion with you since it is quite obvious you do not even have any knowledge or understanding of the subject at hand..

 

[ewq1938]

SO again, you are saying that Yeshua was crucified AFTER eating the Passover.

That's what the text says.

You do know that the lambs have to be sacrificed BEFORE anyone can eat the seder meal??

Unless it's eaten sushi style lol

 

[ewq1938]

So when was Yeshua sacrificed, at night?

No it was in the morning or late morning. He was arrested at night.

If he ate the passover, then when were the lambs for passover killed?

There is no IF he ate the Passover, he did eat it.

Your math just does not add up. You can keep repeating something but that does not make it true or even possible! Just because you say 1 + 1 = 5 does not make it true. I am sorry, but I can not continue having a discussion with you since it is quite obvious you do not even have any knowledge or understanding of the subject at hand..

I've consistently proven you incorrect using scripture so don't be offended if I consider the above as being completely devoid of accuracy.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No it was in the morning or late morning. He was arrested at night.




There is no IF he ate the Passover, he did eat it.




I've consistently proven you incorrect using scripture so don't be offended if I consider the above as being completely devoid of accuracy.

The only thing you have proven is that you do not understand, nor are you interested to understand, the correct chronology of these events. Using YOUR scenario, Yeshua died a day after the lambs were sacrificed, thus not fulfilling scripture. The correct fulfillment was that the lambs were sacrificed during the daylight hours and Yeshua died at 3 PM on the 14th of Nisan. The last supper and His arrest was the evening before (still on the 14th). He was buried in the tomb on the 14th just before sunset. That night (now the beginning of the 15th), the Jews held their seders. Read John 9:14. The day of preparation was not the day of Passover...Read Exodus 12...the lambs were killed FIRST, then blood was put on the door posts and then, that night, they ate the lamb and stayed indoors while the Angel of death passed over them. You have Yeshua dieing the next day AFTER the seder and AFTER the lambs were killed, thus not fulfilling Scripture.