The Danger of Creationism

[SLP]

So life came to be with no purpose. It just happens to be what happened

Maybe. How would that impact the way YOU live your life?
It would affect me the same way that that the universe having been created by the Titans would - not at all. I don't need threats of damnation to not act like scoundrel. Do you?

 

[SLP]

Australian and atheist aren't synonyms. What's this got to do with atheists?

This is a standard 'bag of tricks' thing among the creationists. Most of them appear to follow a script of some sort, and will dutifully if mindlessly churn out claims like this so as to make their strange beliefs in Hebrew deities seem morally superior (and thus correct).
It is a sign of not having anything of merit or value to put forth.

 

[SLP]

Please take it up with jesus, as he created the Universe and all in it!

Evidence please.

 

[SLP]

They have always said there's a difference between science and historical science.

That is how they avoid having to admit that they cannot address evolution scientifically.

It's no surprise many support taking the vaccine.

Are you an epidemiologist? Immunologist? Virologist? Or just someone that listens to Fox?

I never claimed I didn't believe in science. But I don't believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. How old is it? No one knows

Evidence provides an answer. You not accepting it is evidence that you do NOT, in fact, 'believe in' science.

 

[SLP]

I don't believe someone can test a meteorite and determine its 4.5 billion years old when the same test shows that rocks formed by Mount St Helens are millions of years old

Evidence please.

 

[SLP]

Do they say conclusively absolutely without question the earth is 4.5 billion years old?

What is the evidence that the Hebrew deity conclusively absolutely without question created the earth from nothing 6-10000 years ago and formed the first human from dust of the ground?
Or do you employ double standards?

 

[SLP]

When God created Adam he was a full grown man. You could have tested him and found he was 20 or 30 years old. When Jesus turned water into wine he did it instantly. It takes time to grow a vineyard harvest grapes crush them and age the wine. You could have tested it and it would have been a few years old. What if God created the earth the same way

What is your scientific evidence that the things you just asserted are conclusively absolutely without question true?

 

[SLP]

I don't know. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I do know

Yet you seem arrogant enough to "know" conclusively absolutely without question that your favored deity created a full grown man from dust a few thousand years ago.

Odd how often that attitude shows up on forums like this.

 

[SLP]

Which if you read you would see they don't

What have you read on the subject?

 

[BPPLEE]

There was no one 'causing or controlling it' although there were (and still are) laws of physics and chemistry dictating what was possible.

The problem you're probably having is that you see life as a special outcome. There is no reason to assume this. Life is only special to you because you're familiar with it. There is no scientific reason to assume that the universe was designed specifically to allow for the existence of life. Life is simply one of many consequences arising from the particular set of conditions obtaining in the Universe.

Why did it stop happening?

 

[Estrid]

Why did it stop happening?

That may be a good question, but what is "it"
that stopped?

 

[BPPLEE]

That is how they avoid having to admit that they cannot address evolution scientifically.

Are you an epidemiologist? Immunologist? Virologist? Or just someone that listens to Fox?

Evidence provides an answer. You not accepting it is evidence that you do NOT, in fact, 'believe in' science.

Why do I have to be an epidemiologist, Immunologist or Virologist to take the vaccine? And I believe in science but I'm skeptical about some of it. Everyone else on here says there are no absolutes but you're telling me I must accept all the science as absolute truth.

 

[BPPLEE]

That may be a good question, but what is "it"
that stopped?

Life forming. Or is this still happening?

 

[BPPLEE]

What is the evidence that the Hebrew deity conclusively absolutely without question created the earth from nothing 6-10000 years ago and formed the first human from dust of the ground?
Or do you employ double standards?

I didn't say you can't be skeptical of creation or reject it but if I'm skeptical of the science that can't be allowed

 

[BPPLEE]

What is your scientific evidence that the things you just asserted are conclusively absolutely without question true?

I said what if God made the earth that way? I didn't say absolutely without question.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yet you seem arrogant enough to "know" conclusively absolutely without question that your favored deity created a full grown man from dust a few thousand years ago.

Odd how often that attitude shows up on forums like this.

I never said that or asserted any such thing

 

[Estrid]

Life forming. Or is this still happening?

Ah ok.
There's several things to consider.
Start with some basic organic chemistry.

Complex organic molecules are known to form
spontaneously under a wide range of naturally occurring
conditions. Including amino acids on comets.
No organic molecules are assembled " by hand" in a lab, they
occur when the conditions are set.

Nobody knows what conditions existed on earth when life started.
But, given 330,000,000 cubic miles of ocean, many millions
of years, incredible fantasticatillion carbon, nitrogen owygen
and hydrogen atoms and ions, the speed withwhich
reactions occur, its not unreasonable to suppose
that anything that can happen will happen.

A fairly simple self replicating molecule ( there are
such things) would be a good start on life.
And, there being no bright line distinction between
life and non life, theres nobody to say at what point
a self reproducing structure is life, or not - yet life.

Today? Who knows. Nobody has happened upon lab
conditions that led to life.
Out there in the ocean? Any proto- life would not
stand a chance of developing, with all the hungry
microbes out there ready to eat it. Remember your
amoeba etc from high school biology?

And, of course, it would be extraordinarily difficult
to go out there and find your new forms, get them back to
a lab and identify them.

 

[Estrid]

I didn't say you can't be skeptical of creation or reject it but if I'm skeptical of the science that can't be allowed

Huh? What cant be allowed?

 

[ottawak]

So life came to be with no purpose. It just happens to be what happened

That is what many atheists appear to believe. Theists, on the other hand, believe in a creator who imbues life with purpose. The science is the same in either case.

 

[Estrid]

I never said that or asserted any such thing

So you are skeptical about God?