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<blockquote data-quote="SuperCloud" data-source="post: 68211249" data-attributes="member: 357959"><p>I know a lot of American Catholics are not aware of this. But the Orange Loyalists (Protestants) of Northern Ireland fly the Confederate flag too. Contrary to what many American Catholics may have been taught the former warring in Northern Ireland was not merely "religious." Mainly it was ethnocentric--like the battles in Israel between Jews and Palestinians. As it happens in both cases the ethnic groups were usually very strongly tied to a particular religion.</p><p></p><p>If I remember correctly... the KKK (white sheets/hoods representing the ghosts of the Confederate soldiers) use a lot of Celtic symbols. But these are not derived from Irish Catholicism but from the Scots-Irishmen. Who are the latter? Those of Scottish ancestry who live in (or came from and moved to say... Toronto, Canada or the Southern, USA) Northern Ireland. But the history of Northern Ireland is also tied into people of English ancestry. Both the English and Scots became the colonial ruling class in Northern Ireland. The actual ethnic Irish were more or less like our Amerindians. And so, that ruling class pretty much treated the Irish the way white Americans treated Amerindians and blacks.</p><p></p><p>The Catholic Irish even had there version of a Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. long before either one of those showed up on the scene. Eventually the left-wing IRA was created--to which in the USA the Black Panther Party was probably the most akin to them.</p><p></p><p>The white prison gang the Aryan Brotherhood uses Celtic symbols too.</p><p></p><p>So, Catholics like to talk about how Latin American Catholics betrayed Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox betrayed Orthodoxy by embracing socialist and communist ideologies. But Catholics rarely if ever speak about how Catholics betray Catholicism by embracing the social (and at times secretive) constructs and beliefs of the joint KKK and Masonic Lodges--which have run much of the US political systems from Alabama to Indiana to DC.</p><p></p><p>Back in the 1920s and 1930s the Masonic Lodges viewed the KKK as their fighting arm. I'm not sure what if any connection they have today. But the Masonic Lodge, membership in the Lodges, still play a part in the life of a lot of elected officials in the USA.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]L6r1Lufjdww[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]ovDOr-EzeEY[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://ulsterconnections.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/red-hand-defenders-march-with.html" target="_blank">http://ulsterconnections.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/red-hand-defenders-march-with.html</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuperCloud, post: 68211249, member: 357959"] I know a lot of American Catholics are not aware of this. But the Orange Loyalists (Protestants) of Northern Ireland fly the Confederate flag too. Contrary to what many American Catholics may have been taught the former warring in Northern Ireland was not merely "religious." Mainly it was ethnocentric--like the battles in Israel between Jews and Palestinians. As it happens in both cases the ethnic groups were usually very strongly tied to a particular religion. If I remember correctly... the KKK (white sheets/hoods representing the ghosts of the Confederate soldiers) use a lot of Celtic symbols. But these are not derived from Irish Catholicism but from the Scots-Irishmen. Who are the latter? Those of Scottish ancestry who live in (or came from and moved to say... Toronto, Canada or the Southern, USA) Northern Ireland. But the history of Northern Ireland is also tied into people of English ancestry. Both the English and Scots became the colonial ruling class in Northern Ireland. The actual ethnic Irish were more or less like our Amerindians. And so, that ruling class pretty much treated the Irish the way white Americans treated Amerindians and blacks. The Catholic Irish even had there version of a Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. long before either one of those showed up on the scene. Eventually the left-wing IRA was created--to which in the USA the Black Panther Party was probably the most akin to them. The white prison gang the Aryan Brotherhood uses Celtic symbols too. So, Catholics like to talk about how Latin American Catholics betrayed Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox betrayed Orthodoxy by embracing socialist and communist ideologies. But Catholics rarely if ever speak about how Catholics betray Catholicism by embracing the social (and at times secretive) constructs and beliefs of the joint KKK and Masonic Lodges--which have run much of the US political systems from Alabama to Indiana to DC. Back in the 1920s and 1930s the Masonic Lodges viewed the KKK as their fighting arm. I'm not sure what if any connection they have today. But the Masonic Lodge, membership in the Lodges, still play a part in the life of a lot of elected officials in the USA. [MEDIA=youtube]L6r1Lufjdww[/MEDIA] [MEDIA=youtube]ovDOr-EzeEY[/MEDIA] [URL]http://ulsterconnections.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/red-hand-defenders-march-with.html[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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