Taking Questions on Genesis

[AV1611VET]

Okay, in this thread, I'll take any questions you may have about the events in Genesis, and try to answer them to the best of my ability.

This thread is open to all sorts of stuff, from creatio ex nihilo to the Fall, the Flood, the Dispensations, the Ark, kinds, what language Adam & Eve spoke, anything.

Pray for me.

 

[salt-n-light]

Any theories on what Ham did to Noah in Genesis 9 that caused Noah to curse Canaan? It only stops at that Ham seen his nakedness and that Noah saw what he had done, but never clear on what he did.

 

[RaymondG]

What is your take on Genesis 5:2

 

[Bungle_Bear]

How high was the tower of Babel when it was pulled down? How large was the base of the tower of Babel?

 

[Speedwell]

Any theories on what Ham did to Noah in Genesis 9 that caused Noah to curse Canaan? It only stops at that Ham seen his nakedness and that Noah saw what he had done, but never clear on what he did.

As I have heard it from scholars of the language, the underlying Hebrew suggests that Ham was sexually aroused by his fathers nakedness.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

As I have heard it from scholars of the language, the underlying Hebrew suggests that Ham was sexually aroused by his fathers nakedness.

The reference to "his youngest son" is a reference to Canaan, not Ham. Grandsons were considered 'sons' as well as actual sons. Ham is always second when Noah's sons are mentioned together; "Shem, Ham, and Japheth". That Canaan 'did' something (very bad) to a 'naked' Noah doesn't leave much to the imagination.

Any deeper discussion on this subject can be quite troubling.

 

[Tom 1]

Okay, in this thread, I'll take any questions you may have about the events in Genesis, and try to answer them to the best of my ability.

This thread is open to all sorts of stuff, from creatio ex nihilo to the Fall, the Flood, the Dispensations, the Ark, kinds, what language Adam & Eve spoke, anything.

Pray for me.

We've probably got different views on Genesis as a whole, but, putting that to one side, what do you think of the idea that at least something of Noah's belief in the one true God was passed down the generations, through Terah to Abram?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[inquiring mind]

How high was the tower of Babel when it was pulled down? How large was the base of the tower of Babel?

'Evolving' may be the best answer to these questions.

 

[AV1611VET]

Any theories on what Ham did to Noah in Genesis 9 that caused Noah to curse Canaan?

It could be he either raped him or his wife.

Here's why:

Genesis 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
Genesis 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

IF he was uncovered by his son, that would jive with my theory.

Note also this passage in Leviticus, which uses the same terminology:

Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Either way, that was some pretty sick stuff that went on.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is your take on Genesis 5:2

Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

I heard a trivia question once that went:

What name did God give to Eve?

The answer is here in Chapter 5, where God named them both ADAM, but Adam then changed her name to Eve; an act that God honored.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Notice here where the same thing happens, but David refused the name change:

2 Samuel 12:24 And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him.
2 Samuel 12:25 And he sent by the hand of Nathan the prophet; and he called his name Jedidiah, because of the LORD.

 

[AV1611VET]

How high was the tower of Babel when it was pulled down?

Had it been completed, probably some 8000 feet!

How large was the base of the tower of Babel?

The Book of Jubilees, part of the Old Testament Apocrypha, describes the tower as having a rectangular base 7,800 feet by 18,000 feet, and a height of 8,150 feet!

(See The Book of Jubilees, chapter 10, vs 19-27, R.H. Charles translation.)

 

[AV1611VET]

As I have heard it from scholars of the language, the underlying Hebrew suggests that Ham was sexually aroused by his fathers nakedness.

Or his mother's.

 

[Moral Orel]

What do you make of Genesis 3:14-15?

The Lord God said to the serpent,​

“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”​

Is this literally just about the animals we know as "snakes" and nothing else?

 

[AV1611VET]

Any deeper discussion on this subject can be quite troubling.

No argument there!

 

[AV1611VET]

We've probably got different views on Genesis as a whole, but, putting that to one side, what do you think of the idea that at least something of Noah's belief in the one true God was passed down the generations, through Terah to Abram?

Believe it or not, Shem lived right up to the time of Jacob; providing eyewitness testimony of Noah and the Flood!

Genesis 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
Genesis 11:11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

He could have set any errant record straight.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

He could have set any errant record straight.

(can he 'fix' some traffic tickets?)



shalom !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Or his mother's.

That makes more sense.
NOT good, but better than the other BY FAR.