State Dept finds hundreds of violations Clinton emails

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State Department report on Clinton emails finds hundreds of violations, dozens of individuals at fault

The report summarized an administrative review of the handling of classified information relating to Clinton’s private email server used during her tenure as the nation’s highest-ranking diplomat between 2009 and 2013. The report, dated Sept. 13., was delivered to the office of Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa., who was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee until last year.

The report reflected only approximately 30,000 emails that the State Department was able to physically review, and found 38 individuals were responsible for 91 violations
 

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None of the violations were serious, though, were they? Forgot to tell us that?

And "38 individuals were responsible for 91 violations", not "hundreds of violations".

The Trumpers' inability to be truth tellers is one of the dozens of reason the GOP is going to get smashed in the elections next year.
 
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It's hard to know what this means. For the one person whose information has been published, emails were retroactively classified. That is, they weren't classified when they were sent. That means that even if they hadn't used Clinton's server, they wouldn't have been stored securely, since they didn't consider them classified.

So this isn't really about Clinton's mail system, but about 38 people who didn't classify things they should have.

Note that what was considered classified included lists of people invited to meetings, so as not to cause embarrassment for people not invited. So it's hard to know how serious this is. The report did say the following

"While there were some instances of classified information being inappropriately introduced into an unclassified system in furtherance of expedience, by and large, the individuals interviewed were aware of security policies and did their best to implement them in their operations," the report also said. [State Department's investigation found 38 individuals violated classification rules in relation to Clinton email server - CNNPolitics]

It's hard to believe that they would have said that if the secrets were serious.

It would be interesting to see what this kind of detailed review would turn up if conducted on 30,000 other unclassified documents. The summaries on the news are light on specifics of violations. 91 of the violations seem likely to be underclassification. But the rest, which they couldn't attribute to individuals. What does that mean? It should almost always be clear who sent them email. If they are all underclassification that's a 2% error rate, but I wonder. At any rate, that seems pretty low to me. Not if we were talking about the nuclear launch codes. For those I'd expect a nearly 0% error rate. But it's very unlikely that that's what they're talking about. (It would be nice if they had told us how many were retroactively classified to be top secret, secret, confidential, etc.)

Here's an example of a detailed examination of 231 emails. (It's the first detailed study of email classification I turned up in a search.) It found that 65% of them had classification errors! That term is fairly vague, because it covers technical violations such as bad labelling. About 1% of them were underclassified. That's the type of error everyone thinks about with Clinton's email (messages that should have been classified but weren't), though it's hard to be sure. https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f14/Inspection Report-IG-0904_0.pdf. It's simply unreasonable to expect perfect compliance, particularly when there is room for interpreting rules. (It would have been interesting to submit the 231 documents to two different teams and see how well they agreed.)
 
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State Department report on Clinton emails finds hundreds of violations, dozens of individuals at fault

The report summarized an administrative review of the handling of classified information relating to Clinton’s private email server used during her tenure as the nation’s highest-ranking diplomat between 2009 and 2013. The report, dated Sept. 13., was delivered to the office of Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa., who was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee until last year.

The report reflected only approximately 30,000 emails that the State Department was able to physically review, and found 38 individuals were responsible for 91 violations

Ooh how terrible.
 
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It's also interesting that the investigation found no evidence that the mail server had been compromised. I've seen various claims that it had been.

The amount of nonsense that circulates about the whole Clinton email thing is unbelievable. 17 investigations into the same thing, no laws broken and they are still trying to flog that dead horse. Smacks of desperation.
 
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In actuality: Investigation of Clinton emails ends, finding no 'deliberate mishandling'

Of course Donald's base is going to want to continue to beat on that dead horse, try their darned best to distract from his chaoses.

Saw this comment elsewhere:

After Republicans held a majority in the House, the Senate, and the White House there are only a few possibilities left:

Clinton is a criminal mastermind who so perfectly covered her tracks that nobody can find evidence of wrongdoing.
Republicans are so grossly incompetent that they can't find the evidence of wrongdoing.
Republicans are in on the scheme and are part of Clinton's grand conspiracy.
Clinton didn't actually do anything wrong and the whole thing is farce.

So what is it Republicans? Is Clinton an evil genius, or are your elected officials incompetent and corrupt? Because clearly you'll never concede that she's innocent.
 
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State Department report on Clinton emails finds hundreds of violations, dozens of individuals at fault

The report summarized an administrative review of the handling of classified information relating to Clinton’s private email server used during her tenure as the nation’s highest-ranking diplomat between 2009 and 2013. The report, dated Sept. 13., was delivered to the office of Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa., who was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee until last year.

The report reflected only approximately 30,000 emails that the State Department was able to physically review, and found 38 individuals were responsible for 91 violations
LOL, a three year investigation, costing million and millions of dollars, by several government departments, run by Republicans, finds violations which amount to nothing more than a slap on the wrist of State Dept. employees, and right wingers want to scream proof of wrong doing.

The Mueller Investigation, which recovered more money than it cost to run the investigation and also ran by Republican, and resulted in numerous guilty pleas for crimes and numerous other indictments against Russians for tampering in the 2016 is claimed to be hoax by right wingers, only shows the hypocrisy which permeates right wing politics.
 
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State Dept finds hundreds of violations Clinton emails

Trump supporters are so desperate to change the narrative that they are forced to resurrect Hillary Clinton as the Democratic "bogeyman (woman)!"

The fact remains that this President creates self-inflicted political wounds at a rate that it far surpasses the ability of his surrogates to invent "talking points" to defend the indefensible!
 
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Trump supporters are so desperate to change the narrative that they are forced to resurrect Hillary Clinton as the Democratic "bogeyman (woman)!"

The fact remains that this President creates self-inflicted political wounds at a rate that it far surpasses the ability of his surrogates to invent "talking points" to defend the indefensible!

I would go easy on her because, looking at the Dems front runners they may have to pull Hillary out of the wood pile.
M-Bob
 
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I would go easy on her because, looking at the Dems front runners they may have to pull Hillary out of the wood pile.
M-Bob
No need ... she'll get to watch Trump go down from the sidelines ...
 
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