Spanish Judge Tells Lesbian Mother to Choose Children or Same-sex Partner, not Both

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Source: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07072406.html

Now under disciplinary proceedings from Murcia Supreme Court


By Peter J. Smith

MURCIA, Spain, July 24, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Spanish judge ruled in June that a woman must leave her lesbian relationship for the sake of her children or give up custody of them to the father, her former husband, in a controversial story that has just come to light.

Homosexual advocacy groups have begun clamoring for an investigation into Fernando Ferrin Calamita, a family court judge in the southeastern city of Murcia who has insisted that the "most prestigious specialists" and "common sense" say homosexual environments are damaging to the development of children.

In his June 6 decision Ferrin Calamita ruled that "the homosexual condition harms the children," and gave the mother until the end of June to choose either her lesbian partner or keep her two daughters by resuming a heterosexual lifestyle. Until then, he bequeathed custody of the children to the father, who had divorced the mother after discovering she was living a double-life as a lesbian.

"It is understood that [a parent's] drug addiction, child abuse, prostitution, belonging to a satanic sect or heterosexual affair would negatively affect the children and serve as a reason for a change of custody," said Ferrin Calamita according to the Spanish news agency EFE. "Well, it's the same with homosexuality,"

"Children have a right to a father and a mother, but not to two mothers or two fathers," the judge continued in his ruling saying that upon this fact both the "most prestigious specialists" and "common sense" agree. "The man and the woman are complementary to each other. Two women or two men, not."

He added, "It is a homosexual atmosphere that harms minors and substantially increases the risk that they will turn that way too."

In another case in April, Ferrin Calamita applied the same principle against two lesbians intent on adopting.

Unfortunately Judge Ferrin Calamita's jurisprudence runs counter to the prevailing agenda of Prime Minister Jose Zapatero's Socialist government, which has made forcing homosexual "marriage" and adoption on Spain among its top priorities. In 2005, the Socialist government legalised same-sex "marriage" despite the opposition of Spain's Catholic Church and other pro-family groups.

Murcia's Supreme Court has now opened disciplinary proceedings against Ferrin Calamita at the behest of homosexualist organisations.

On Monday, 15 feminist and homosexualist organisations also filed a complaint before Spain's General Council of the Judiciary, demanding that it investigate Ferrin Calamita. The council has said it too will investigate.


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Sensible judge. ;)

It seems that the woman's preferences are more important than fostering her children in a hetero lifestyle.

She should make a choice.

I applaud a strong judge...even when that is NOT popular. :)
 
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Spain is going through some dificult times when it comes to the family and abortion.

Recently i also heard that birth certificates in Spain no longer contain terms such as Father or Mother, not to offend certain groups in society.

what's next...
 
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I think that she should have the right to keep her children, as long as I think that the children aren't like watching them in bed, or something I don't see the harm I really don't in fact I am perfectly fine with gay marriage also.

I have decided after a long struggle that that is the kind of lifestyle I choose, and if I do have children then no one would take mine away, you can be homosexual and still raise your children right. What you do in the sheets should have nothing to do with it, it's not like she's a prostitute just sleep around with everyone.

"The Marine"
 
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I think that she should have the right to keep her children, as long as I think that the children aren't like watching them in bed, or something I don't see the harm I really don't in fact I am perfectly fine with gay marriage also.

I have decided after a long struggle that that is the kind of lifestyle I choose, and if I do have children then no one would take mine away, you can be homosexual and still raise your children right. What you do in the sheets should have nothing to do with it, it's not like she's a prostitute just sleep around with everyone.

"The Marine"

:thumbsup: Amen!
 
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I believe the major problem is that she was leading the double life. The matter at hand is that she cheated on her husband, which to me calls into question whether or not she can be fully available as a parent. The wronged party here is obviously the father and quite regularly in courts, misandry prevails. The judge could have simply ruled in the father's favor without bringing up the mother's sexual orientation, but it would have been brought up by advocacy groups regardless of this. Should the mother really get the kids if she runs around on the father and if the father is an upstanding citizen? I don't think so.
 
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Spain is going through some dificult times when it comes to the family and abortion.

Recently i also heard that birth certificates in Spain no longer contain terms such as Father or Mother, not to offend certain groups in society.

what's next...

It is anything goes world....
And this world shall pass away.

So let us look up to Heaven, pray and try to keep ourselves in the fear of the Lord and His just punishments.

IE, keep your eyes on the prize. :hug:
Not so easy when the world advocates sin.
 
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français;37016523 said:
Ah, I assure you that within a month it will be over ruled.

I am not for separating families apart, so I do not support this. But I will not get into a debate, so I will just leave it at that. :)
When I was a kid, if either of my parents had tried to force me to live in a household where either was engaging in sex with a same sex partner, I would hope the judge would get me out of that kind of filthy environment.
 
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It's not filthy to be who you are, I am who I am, and i'm not a filthy person, it's just what I want. One day if I have children, I can assure you that no one would take my children away!

They are children, right now they may not know what it means, later on when they grow they can then decide whether or not they agree with that or not.

"The Marine"
 
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Renee...you aren't 'filthy'...but you really need to stop and think about what you are advocating...especially here. Whatever you have decided your 'orientation' is...the Church is very clear on the subject of marriage and chastity. If you are not called to marriage (and according to the Church marriage is only valid between a man and woman)...or holy orders (which imposes the vow of celibacy)...then you are called to celibate/chaste singlehood. Period. The same goes for every single one of us...hetero or not.

How will you reconcile what you have decided with what the Church teaches? How will you teach any children you might have to reconcile it?
 
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I agree that it isn't good that she was leading a double life, she should've admitted to her husband about her orientation, but I think of in terms of her orientation, it should matter she should keep her children.

"The Marine"

I wouldn't support primary physical custody for her simply because based on what I've read, she destroyed the marriage. Joint custody? Maybe. But I would certainly rule in favor of the father for giving him primary physical custody. But because of what he mentioned, the activist groups will have this ruling overturned and the mother will get primary physical custody thanks in no part due to the fact that it's the politically correct way to solve the situation and never mind the rights of the father.

It's not filthy to be who you are, I am who I am, and i'm not a filthy person, it's just what I want. One day if I have children, I can assure you that no one would take my children away!

Sometimes courts decide things that are completely unfair. And sometimes we make decisions that are completely unfair to ourselves and others around us. Those decisions can inevitably lead to future decisions that aren't fair to you either. Sometimes we just need to stop worrying about those external tormentors and point the finger where it belongs, at us. We're our own worst enemy. You don't want someone to take your kids? That probably won't happen thanks to the misandry that is so prevalent in our culture, but things are slowly changing. So my advice to you is to get yourself together if you don't want the worst case scenario because let me tell you something based on my own personal experience. If you don't get your act together before things get too out of control, you'll have a lifetime of regret.
 
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I think the judge made a choice on facts that aren't in this article. Call me crazy but I think judges(most) have more common sense than that.

However, I recently have done a lot of research on homosexuality because my sister for a long time was a self proclaimed lesbian. SCIENTIFIC studies show that is a mental disorder and you aren't born that way. So by placing a child in this environment not only are you going to do the child harm by not having the gender roles that are nessicary for a childs development you continue to harbor this disorder without seeking help.

You may not agree with me, but I think the judge is right. The father of the child wants to be in the children's lives and if she does get to keep her children in all of this, then perhaps her partner shouldn't live with her.
 
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He added, "It is a homosexual atmosphere that harms minors and substantially increases the risk that they will turn that way too."

Question:

Does it matter in this thread that is stetement has been shown to be untrue in repeated studies in vairous countries ?

Or are we just going to let our moral prejudgices have full reign ?
 
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When I was a kid, if either of my parents had tried to force me to live in a household where either was engaging in sex with a same sex partner, I would hope the judge would get me out of that kind of filthy environment.


:thumbsup: I totally agree with you.
 
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Question:

Does it matter in this thread that is stetement has been shown to be untrue in repeated studies in vairous countries ?

Or are we just going to let our moral prejudgices have full reign ?

Interesting you might say that.

I had debated a woman raised in that environment and she heartily argued that it doesnt affect anyone. Since her mom and mom were gay, she was pro gay.

MEANTIME; back at the ranch, she did reveal that although married she had a desire for other women and that her husband kinda ....:sorry: didnt mind.

SO, yea, one might claim it doesnt effect them....but it really does.
 
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Interesting you might say that.

I had debated a woman raised in that environment and she heartily argued that it doesnt affect anyone. Since her mom and mom were gay, she was pro gay.

MEANTIME; back at the ranch, she did reveal that although married she had a desire for other women and that her husband kinda ....:sorry: didnt mind.

SO, yea, one might claim it doesnt effect them....but it really does.

pro-gay does not necessarily mean they are/will be gay. it means they have no objection to it, but it does not mean they will be homosexual themselves, which is the point, i believe.

of course it influences them, but it does not make their orientation guaranteed homosexual.
 
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