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Lol, did we watch the same lecture?
Did you?
It not a "lecture", it's a debate, a cringe one of that.
Given that he literately said.
"Any definition of anything is a process of separating it from that which it is not."
Among other stupid statements.
 
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Did you?
It not a "lecture", it's a debate, a cringe one of that.
Given that he literately said.
"Any definition of anything is a process of separating it from that which it is not."
Among other stupid statements.
Did the definition of definition offend you?

Destiny couldn't wrap his head around the idea that there are different ideas of how Socialism should be implemented and couldn't understand that he was repeatedly asking for a definition that had already been explained.

He was like that annoying know-it-all student that thinks they're smarter than the professor, so they blurt out some stupid crap in the middle of class and end up making a fool of themselves as the professor explains why they're wrong.

I called it a "lecture" because there wasn't a debate. Destiny kept asking questions about things he didn't understand and Dr. Wolff explained everything to him in excruciating detail. I'm sure Destiny felt it wasn't fairly moderated, but he's the one that kept asking questions and giving Dr. Wolff more time to talk.

You should read the YouTube comments.

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I said the workers should start a business together. You're the one that assumes that a single visionary is how companies should get started.

You assume companies should be monarchies with a ruler that reaps the rewards and the serfs do all the work. Capitalism may have replaced feudalism, but you've simply traded your lord for an employer.

I argue that companies should be democratic. That you should have a seat at the table when the company is making important decisions that will affect your future. Every worker a member of the board. One worker, one vote. Everyone that does the work reaps the rewards.

That having been said...let's say someone starts a business all by their lonesome. They pour their money into buying beef patties and buns to make hamburgers. They realize that they need help, and they hire you.

Can you explain why you should be subservient to him? Why should you be paid less than the value of your work? Why should the man who bought the first batch of patties and buns reap the rewards of your hard work?

Let's say he hires 200 people. He does less than 0.5% of the work. Why should he get the lion's share of the profits? He could get hit by a bus and the company would live on without him with 200 other people make and sell burgers.
How about a practical real-world example:

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Lol, did we watch the same lecture? He took Destiny to school and taught him a class on economics.

Wow. 'Destiny' got schooled. Big time. That was quite embarressing from his point of view. Why put yourself up for a discussion about socialism, when you seem to know nothing about it, against a guy who knows everything about it.

I am so inpressed by Wolff. I need to read (or listen) to more of what he says. He takes me back to a time when I used to have some passion about this subject. Maybe I haven't lost it entirely.
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/harvard-study-what-ceos-do-all-day.html

It reveals, on average, the leaders worked 9.7 hours per weekday, which totals just 48.5 hours per workweek. They also worked 79 percent of weekend days at an average of 3.9 hours daily, and 70 percent of vacation days with an average of 2.4 hours on those days. Altogether, the study found that CEOs worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.

(The average American works 44 hours per week, or 8.8 hours per day, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, with nearly a third reportedly working on the weekend.)
Can we put to bed the myth that bosses do nothing?
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/harvard-study-what-ceos-do-all-day.html

It reveals, on average, the leaders worked 9.7 hours per weekday, which totals just 48.5 hours per workweek. They also worked 79 percent of weekend days at an average of 3.9 hours daily, and 70 percent of vacation days with an average of 2.4 hours on those days. Altogether, the study found that CEOs worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.

(The average American works 44 hours per week, or 8.8 hours per day, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, with nearly a third reportedly working on the weekend.)
Can we put to bed the myth that bosses do nothing?

Out of curiosity, does that number take into consideration that for some workers the hours are capped to avoid giving them benefits? Or is this mandated limit included as is?
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/harvard-study-what-ceos-do-all-day.html

It reveals, on average, the leaders worked 9.7 hours per weekday, which totals just 48.5 hours per workweek. They also worked 79 percent of weekend days at an average of 3.9 hours daily, and 70 percent of vacation days with an average of 2.4 hours on those days. Altogether, the study found that CEOs worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.

(The average American works 44 hours per week, or 8.8 hours per day, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, with nearly a third reportedly working on the weekend.)
Can we put to bed the myth that bosses do nothing?
It’s hard work, exploiting the labor of the working class.
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/harvard-study-what-ceos-do-all-day.html

It reveals, on average, the leaders worked 9.7 hours per weekday, which totals just 48.5 hours per workweek. They also worked 79 percent of weekend days at an average of 3.9 hours daily, and 70 percent of vacation days with an average of 2.4 hours on those days. Altogether, the study found that CEOs worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.

(The average American works 44 hours per week, or 8.8 hours per day, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, with nearly a third reportedly working on the weekend.)
Can we put to bed the myth that bosses do nothing?
No. CEOs are unnecessary and flat organizational structures work.

Valve, the company that runs Steam and developed Half-Life and Portal has a flat organizational structure. See an excerpt from their New Employee Handbook below. Self-organizing and self-managing teams are more effective.

While we're at it, let's talk about how banks prevent people from buying homes so they have to rent and landlords have renters pay their mortgages for them.

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