Rex84, FEMA executive order, concentration camps...:signs of the end?

[RND]

RND, is it getting kinda warm around here?

For some? I'm sure it is. For others, while it is disappointing to see the things that are happening in this world, are glad for them in a way, because they know that their redemption draws near.

On another thread I've been part of recently some are actually gloating, kinda "in your face" if you will about Christ dying on the cross so people could eat pig and lobster. Oh well, signs of the times.

 

[OntheDL]

Just exactly where does the road paved with good intentions go again?

The road to destruction is paved with good intentions.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[RND]

The road to destruction is paved with good intentions.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Thanks for that! I was simply asking rhetorically.

Do you think this will happen in our time or that the four winds may be released before then?

 

[OntheDL]

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These have one mind, There will be a universal bond of union, one great harmony, a confederacy of Satan’s forces. And shall give their power and strength into the beast. This is manifested the same arbitrary, oppressive power against religious liberty, freedom to worship God according to the dictates of conscience, as was manifested by the papacy. When in the past it persecuted those who dared to refuse to conform with religious rites and ceremonies of Romanism. In the warfare to be waged in the last days there will be united, in opposition to God’s people. All the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the law of Jehovah. --- 7 BC, p983


The perils of the last days are upon us, and in our work we are to warn the people of the danger they are in. Let not the solemn scenes which prophecy has revealed be left untouched. If our people were half awake, if they realized the nearness of the events portrayed in the Revelation, a reformation would be wrought in our churches, and many more would believe the message. …---Testimonies to the Ministers, p117-118

Hi friends,

You may have read in my previous email communications about Rex84 and presidential executive orders that enables the federal government in case of national emergency to exercise unchecked power over the national commerce, communication, food production, transportation, population migration, organizing civilian work brigade under government supervision...Please take 10-15 minutes of your life to read through this important update.

Before the update on the most recent development, here is a recapitulation of the existing provisions that can invoked by a stroke of the presidential pen.

Rex84 program
Rex84: Readiness Exercise 1984. Created in 1984 by federal government, it deals with civil unrest and national emergency. Two branch programs: 'garden plot' and 'cable slicer':
- Garden Plot is a program that enables federal government to control and migrate mass population.
- Cable Slicer is a program that enables federal government to take over local and state governments.

The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex84

Executive Orders:
Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

I know many will simply dismiss and have dismissed these as conspiracy theories. Here is a SOP quote that warms against this attitude.

“Those who can not see the signs of times are candidates for plagues---God calls for men and means. Those who can not see the signs of the times in this wicked and adulterous generation will be found with those who perish under the plagues poured from the vials of God's wrath.” ---12 MR, p42

Please do your own research. Verify the references in these email. Read the PDF documents. Search the national archive's on these executive orders.

Here is on the most recent development.

The last and the latest stimulus package is set at $780 billion. But they didn't tell you with the finance charge, meaning with the interest payments you, your children and your grand children have to pay back, it in reality is $1.3 trillion. Plus the last bailout bill, our national debt is currently at about $56 trillion.

In the latter stage of industrial evolution, America 's industry has 'matured' into the third industry or the service industry as most developed countries have. That means the major manufacturing in America has been shifted to, moved off-shires to developing countries with cheap labor.

In a financial/monetary crisis, America can not recover from it because it produces no goods . Your neighborhood travel agent is waiting for someone with the money to book a trip. Your local actuary is looking to sign a company on an employee pension plan. The problem is it needs someone who has the money. But America produces no goods .

To solve the problem, US government issues appropriations to borrow from the Federal Reserve, a privately own corporation. The US Constitution delegates to the Congress to coin United Stated money in gold. But the Federeal Reserve, a private, mostly foreign owned bank creates the money out of thin air and lend to the US government. In return, the government gives a mortgage-backed security, meaning a piece of land as the collateral.

Another way to solve the monetary crisis is to borrow from foreign countries such as Saudi, China , Russia ...which they have been doing just that.

Credit comes from savings. You can not simply sign up for more credit cards to cover the previous bills. Eventually the interest payments will exceed your ability to repay.

The federal government has been having budget deficits for years so have been your local state and municipal governments. In the case of United States government defaults on its loans, which has become a distinct possibility, the foreign banks and foreign governments such as Saudi, Russia and China can and will exercise their rights of foreclosure. Meaning they can legally possess a building, a piece of land, a city and even a state as their eminent domains.

In preparation against the eminent domains by a foreign country, states have acted quickly to declare state sovereignty. That is, since the financial collapse of the last September, 12 states have declared such sovereignty. In the entire 200+ year history of America , Texas being the first, declared in 1886, there had been 7 states prior to the financial collapse.

The following is the state of New Hampshire declaration of sovereignty. It's based on the Jeffersonian principles affirming the independent sovereignty of the states over the federal government.

The Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, was ratified in 1791, and restates the Constitution’s (Jeffersonian) principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people. It is based on an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: “Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States , in Congress assembled.’

In NH's declaration, it specifically nullified, made void
1. Marshall law declared by the federal government without the consent of the state.
2. Involuntary servitude to the federal government.
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4. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.
5. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.
6. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and
That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually.
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[OntheDL]

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HCR 6 – AS INTRODUCED
2009 SESSION
09-0274
09/01
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 6
A RESOLUTION affirming States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
SPONSORS: Rep. Itse, Rock 9; Rep. Ingbretson, Graf 5; Rep. Comerford, Rock 9; Sen. Denley, Dist 3
COMMITTEE: State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs
ANALYSIS
This house concurrent resolution affirms States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
09-0274
09/01

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Nine

A RESOLUTION affirming States’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.
Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 1, Article 7 declares that the people of this State have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled; and

Whereas the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire, Part 2, Article 1 declares that the people inhabiting the territory formerly called the province of New Hampshire, do hereby solemnly and mutually agree with each other, to form themselves into a free, sovereign and independent body-politic, or State, by the name of The State of New Hampshire; and

Whereas the State of New Hampshire when ratifying the Constitution for the United States of America recommended as a change, “First That it be Explicitly declared that all Powers not expressly & particularly Delegated by the aforesaid are reserved to the several States to be, by them Exercised;” and

Whereas the other States that included recommendations, to wit Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia, included an identical or similar recommended change; and

Whereas these recommended changes were incorporated as the ninth amendment, the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, and the tenth amendment, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, to the Constitution for the United States of America; now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, -- delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force; that to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party: that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress; and

That the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations, slavery, and no other crimes whatsoever; and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people,” therefore all acts of Congress which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution are altogether void, and of no force; and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains solely and exclusively to the respective States, each within its own territory; and

That it is true as a general principle, and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the Constitution, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people;” and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, and were reserved to the States or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated, rather than the use be destroyed. And thus also they guarded against all abridgment by the United States of the freedom of religious opinions and exercises, and retained to themselves the right of protecting the same. And that in addition to this general principle and express declaration, another and more special provision has been made by one of the amendments to the Constitution, which expressly declares, that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press:” thereby guarding in the same sentence, and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press: insomuch, that whatever violated either, throws down the sanctuary which covers the others, and that libels, falsehood, and defamation, equally with heresy and false religion, are withheld from the cognizance of federal tribunals. That, therefore, all acts of Congress of the United States which do abridge the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, are not law, but are altogether void, and of no force; and

That the construction applied by the General Government (as is evidenced by sundry of their proceedings) to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” and “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof,” goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their power by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument: that the proceedings of the General Government under color of these articles, will be a fit and necessary subject of revisal and correction; and

That a committee of conference and correspondence be appointed, which shall have as its charge to communicate the preceding resolutions to the Legislatures of the several States; to assure them that this State continues in the same esteem of their friendship and union which it has manifested from that moment at which a common danger first suggested a common union: that it considers union, for specified national purposes, and particularly to those specified in their federal compact, to be friendly to the peace, happiness and prosperity of all the States: that faithful to that compact, according to the plain intent and meaning in which it was understood and acceded to by the several parties, it is sincerely anxious for its preservation: that it does also believe, that to take from the States all the powers of self-government and transfer them to a general and consolidated government, without regard to the special delegations and reservations solemnly agreed to in that compact, is not for the peace, happiness or prosperity of these States; and that therefore this State is determined, as it doubts not its co-States are, to submit to undelegated, and consequently unlimited powers in no man, or body of men on earth: that in cases of an abuse of the delegated powers, the members of the General Government, being chosen by the people, a change by the people would be the constitutional remedy; but, where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every State has a natural right in cases not within the compact, (casus non foederis), to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them: that nevertheless, this State, from motives of regard and respect for its co-States, has wished to communicate with them on the subject: that with them alone it is proper to communicate, they alone being parties to the compact, and solely authorized to judge in the last resort of the powers exercised under it, Congress being not a party, but merely the creature of the compact, and subject as to its assumptions of power to the final judgment of those by whom, and for whose use itself and its powers were all created and modified: that if the acts before specified should stand, these conclusions would flow from them: that it would be a dangerous delusion were a confidence in the men of our choice to silence our fears for the safety of our rights: that confidence is everywhere the parent of despotism -- free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power: that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no further, our confidence may go. In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. That this State does therefore call on its co-States for an expression of their sentiments on acts not authorized by the federal compact. And it doubts not that their sense will be so announced as to prove their attachment unaltered to limited government, whether general or particular. And that the rights and liberties of their co-States will be exposed to no dangers by remaining embarked in a common bottom with their own. That they will concur with this State in considering acts as so palpably against the Constitution as to amount to an undisguised declaration that that compact is not meant to be the measure of the powers of the General Government, but that it will proceed in the exercise over these States, of all powers whatsoever: that they will view this as seizing the rights of the States, and consolidating them in the hands of the General Government, with a power assumed to bind the States, not merely as the cases made federal, (casus foederis,) but in all cases whatsoever, by laws made, not with their consent, but by others against their consent: that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen, and live under one deriving its powers from its own will, and not from our authority; and that the co-States, recurring to their natural right in cases not made federal, will concur in declaring these acts void, and of no force, and will each take measures of its own for providing that neither these acts, nor any others of the General Government not plainly and intentionally authorized by the Constitution, shall be exercised within their respective territories; and

That the said committee be authorized to communicate by writing or personal conferences, at any times or places whatever, with any person or person who may be appointed by any one or more co-States to correspond or confer with them; and that they lay their proceedings before the next session of the General Court; and

That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.
II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.
V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.
VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and
That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government; and
That copies of this resolution be transmitted by the house clerk to the President of the United States , each member of the United States Congress, and the presiding officers of each State’s legislature.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

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[OntheDL]

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The implication of the declaration of Sovereignty of these 19 states is anyone's guess. But it paves ways for state secession and dissolution of the union. A catastrophic event or a series of such events will give the federal government what it needs to invoke the existing provisions to take over local and state governments. What's next? Social unrest and even civil war?

Please do not tell me all I need is Christ. That's such an hogwash to cover up their denial. Should Noah have said the same thing and refused to build the ark or go to into, he too would have been lost in the flood. The spirit of Prophecy warns in the last days many will only want to hear the love of Jesus.

"The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones." ---Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 11

The question for each of us remains: what are we doing to have the spiritual preparedness and the practical preparedness? Those who only want to hear love and peace but avoid the sterner questions shall be awakened by the plagues fallen upon them from God’s wrath.[/FONT]

 

[RND]

[FONT=verdana,helvetica,sans-serif]What's next? Social unrest and even civil war? [/FONT]

OntheDL most of the time I see things for what they really are.....a smokescreen for the Jesuit run government to get what it really wants - complete control.
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[FONT=verdana,helvetica,sans-serif]Please do not tell me all I need is Christ. That's such an hogwash to cover up their denial. Should Noah have said the same thing and refused to build the ark or go to into, he too would have been lost in the flood. The spirit of Prophecy warns in the last days many will only want to hear the love of Jesus.

"The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones." ---Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 11

The question for each of us remains: what are we doing to have the spiritual preparedness and the practical preparedness? Those who only want to hear love and peace but avoid the sterner questions shall be awakened by the plagues fallen upon them from God’s wrath.[/FONT]

OK, I won't tell you about that. But let me ask this question......Have you been asked to build "an ark" or have you been asked to point to "the Ark" as Mrs. White has done?

If, as Adventist's, we have to use "scare tactics" and the promise of "doom and gloom" to lead the lost to Christ then we are no better than those who use the "threat" of eternally burning hell and eternal torture to do the same.

Mind you brother, I'm not picking on you and frankly I am glad that you point the things out that are either happening or soon to happen. Each and everyone of us comes to the Cross of Christ with a load of baggage and the wrong motivation - yet, it was the certain of the Greeks (coverts to Judaism) in John 12 that had come to worship at the passover that came to Him because of the work He did in bringing the "dead" back to life!

Only then has the promise of the work Jesus swore Himself to do is realized!

Trouble in this world is sure to come. That's a given. We, as Christians, aren't called to "save a government" we are called to help save a "nation!"

 

[OntheDL]

OntheDL most of the time I see things for what they really are.....a smokescreen for the Jesuit run government to get what it really wants - complete control.
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[/FONT]OK, I won't tell you about that. But let me ask this question......Have you been asked to build "an ark" or have you been asked to point to "the Ark" as Mrs. White has done?

If, as Adventist's, we have to use "scare tactics" and the promise of "doom and gloom" to lead the lost to Christ then we are no better than those who use the "threat" of eternally burning hell and eternal torture to do the same.

Mind you brother, I'm not picking on you and frankly I am glad that you point the things out that are either happening or soon to happen. Each and everyone of us comes to the Cross of Christ with a load of baggage and the wrong motivation - yet, it was the certain of the Greeks (coverts to Judaism) in John 12 that had come to worship at the passover that came to Him because of the work He did in bringing the "dead" back to life!

Only then has the promise of the work Jesus swore Himself to do is realized!

Trouble in this world is sure to come. That's a given. We, as Christians, aren't called to "save a government" we are called to help save a "nation!"

RND,

Make no mistake. I'm not a part of the 'patriot movement' that seeks to save the republic. This is only the half of our message.

It was a good question, Dave. Is Adventist message 'scare tactic' or 'gloom and doom'? Well, is the 3 Angels message scare tactic in announcing the judgment hour and the punishment for receiving the mark of the beast. And then again was Noah gloom and doom announcing the end of the world?

To the wicked, it is. Because they have set their hearts against it. For them God said 'when it comes to pass, you will know I AM the Lord'.

To the professed believers, it serves as a stern reminder of their task at hand: 'Prepare to meet thy God'.

RND, God in Ezekiel 9 tells us the watchmen of His house shall sound the trumpet (of warning) or God will require the blood on their hands.

To fight against temptation, Jesus told us to watch and pray. May God give us eye salve that we may be able to see.

What am I supposed to tell them? Love and peace? That's all is preached in our pulpits these days. Those who are not ready are fearful of this message. But those who are waiting eagerly for His return are joyful at the signs of His coming.

May God bless all those who are ready and haste onto that day!

 

[mva1985]

EO 11000 was repealed by EO 11490


Matt. 24:37-38: “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,”

 

[RND]

RND,

Make no mistake. I'm not a part of the 'patriot movement' that seeks to save the republic. This is only the half of our message.

It was a good question, Dave. Is Adventist message 'scare tactic' or 'gloom and doom'? Well, is the 3 Angels message scare tactic in announcing the judgment hour and the punishment for receiving the mark of the beast. And then again was Noah gloom and doom announcing the end of the world?

To the wicked, it is. Because they have set their hearts against it. For them God said 'when it comes to pass, you will know I AM the Lord'.

To the professed believers, it serves as a stern reminder of their task at hand: 'Prepare to meet thy God'.

RND, God in Ezekiel 9 tells us the watchmen of His house shall sound the trumpet (of warning) or God will require the blood on their hands.

To fight against temptation, Jesus told us to watch and pray. May God give us eye salve that we may be able to see.

What am I supposed to tell them? Love and peace? That's all is preached in our pulpits these days. Those who are not ready are fearful of this message. But those who are waiting eagerly for His return are joyful at the signs of His coming.

May God bless all those who are ready and haste onto that day!

That's just the thing OntheDL - I don't see meeting the Lord as needing to be a "stern reminder."

If someone was to tell me I was going to meet a well loved, yet long lost childhood friend after 20 or 30 years I don't know if "dread" would be one of the things I would use to describe the meeting! But, I hear what your are saying...."professed believers."

However, I would rather teach, preach and demonstrate to all around me a God of "Love and peace" and the one of John 8 than a "doom and gloom" God of wrath that I can get from any pulpit in any "Sunday" church in America.

We emulate the God we serve.

 

[Idol Breaker]

RND,

I think what OntheDL is trying to say is that many aren't looking at the whole picture, and then there are others that are fullfilling the prophecy of saying that for years and years and years since Christ came and went men have been saying He is returning, but where is He? "It's not time, so why should I concern myself with it?" The thing is it is happening before our eyes, things are happening in this world today that noone can explain. Old men are dreaming dreams, young men and women are seeing visions, whether or not these things are actual visions and dreams from God, that has yet to be determined. That fact that they are happening should tell us something.

The world is no longer seperated by wide gulfs anymore. This world has become the new Tower of Babel. It is quickly excelerating to the inevitable "New World Order" that the Globalists have desired for so long. Along with this the religions of the world are manuvouring (sic) to place themselves in prominate postions within the World Religious Order (this site is a perfect example of what is going on in the world.)

So, as those who can "read the writing on the wall" are we to just stand by and say "all's well, we have Christ" or are we to "sound the trumpet" and give the warning that we need to get right with God? We may not be "appointed" prophets of God, but our message should be the same as the Old Testament prophets that God sent forth. Are we to be like Noah, or are we to be like Elijah and Elisha? You pick, as for me, if I'm the watchman in the tower then I think I'll try to be like Elijah.

In Christ.

 

[OntheDL]

That's just the thing OntheDL - I don't see meeting the Lord as needing to be a "stern reminder."

If someone was to tell me I was going to meet a well loved, yet long lost childhood friend after 20 or 30 years I don't know if "dread" would be one of the things I would use to describe the meeting! But, I hear what your are saying...."professed believers."

However, I would rather teach, preach and demonstrate to all around me a God of "Love and peace" and the one of John 8 than a "doom and gloom" God of wrath that I can get from any pulpit in any "Sunday" church in America.

We emulate the God we serve.

I've attended Pentecostal, Non-Denominational and was baptised in a Baptist church. From what I heard, they do not preach the message of judgment. Since Vatican II, protestants and Catholics have been uniting under the banner of love in the ecumenical movement.

The only calling-out, separation message is preached by the Adventists. Do you know another group preaching the 3 angels message other than the 1844 remnants?

The 3 angel message announces the judgment hour, exposes the sins of Babylon and warns against receiving the MOB. The essence of the 3AM, when properly understood, is the true righteousness by faith message taught from Genesis to Revelation. This is the full gospel, not scare tactics or gloom & doom. That's why Rev 14:7 calls 3AM the 'everlasting gospel'.

I'm all for God's love. But love without judgment is not love at all. It's favoritism.

 

[OntheDL]

RND,

I think what OntheDL is trying to say is that many aren't looking at the whole picture, and then there are others that are fullfilling the prophecy of saying that for years and years and years since Christ came and went men have been saying He is returning, but where is He? "It's not time, so why should I concern myself with it?" The thing is it is happening before our eyes, things are happening in this world today that noone can explain. Old men are dreaming dreams, young men and women are seeing visions, whether or not these things are actual visions and dreams from God, that has yet to be determined. That fact that they are happening should tell us something.

The world is no longer seperated by wide gulfs anymore. This world has become the new Tower of Babel. It is quickly excelerating to the inevitable "New World Order" that the Globalists have desired for so long. Along with this the religions of the world are manuvouring (sic) to place themselves in prominate postions within the World Religious Order (this site is a perfect example of what is going on in the world.)

So, as those who can "read the writing on the wall" are we to just stand by and say "all's well, we have Christ" or are we to "sound the trumpet" and give the warning that we need to get right with God? We may not be "appointed" prophets of God, but our message should be the same as the Old Testament prophets that God sent forth. Are we to be like Noah, or are we to be like Elijah and Elisha? You pick, as for me, if I'm the watchman in the tower then I think I'll try to be like Elijah.

In Christ.

Hi IB,

You know our message is also called the Elijah message.


5, 6. The Elijah Message.--In this age, just prior to the second coming of Christ in the clouds of heaven, God calls for men who will prepare a people to stand in the great day of the Lord. Just such a work as that which John did, is to be carried on in these last days. The Lord is giving messages to His people, through the instruments He has chosen, and He would have all heed the admonitions and warnings He sends. The message preceding the public ministry of Christ was, Repent, publicans and sinners; repent, Pharisees and Sadducees; "for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Our message is not to be one of peace and safety. As a people who believe in Christ's soon appearing, we have a definite message to bear,--"Prepare to meet thy God." {4BC 1184.6}
Our message must be as direct as was that of John. He rebuked kings for their iniquity. Notwithstanding the peril his life was in, he never allowed truth to languish on his lips. Our work in this age must be as faithfully done. . . . {4BC 1184.7}
In this time of well-nigh universal apostasy, God calls upon His messengers to proclaim His law in the spirit and power of Elias. As John the Baptist, in preparing a people for Christ's first advent, called their attention to the Ten Commandments, so we are to give, with no uncertain sound, the message: "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come." With the earnestness that characterized Elijah the prophet and John the Baptist, we are to strive to prepare the way for Christ's second advent (SW March 21, 1905). {4BC 1184.8}


And you know in Rev 10 & 11, God calls the remnant of the bitter sweet experience who carry on the last days message 'servants the prophets'? We are all prophets of the prophetic movement who preach the 3 angels message.

 

[RND]

I've attended Pentecostal, Non-Denominational and was baptised in a Baptist church.

Hey OntheDL I knew we had something in common! I was baptisified in a Baptist church as well!

From what I heard, they do not preach the message of judgment. Since Vatican II, protestants and Catholics have been uniting under the banner of love in the ecumenical movement.

Yeah, I agree somewhat. However, I do believe that "judgment" is preached in these denominations but I see judgment as something not to be afraid of but actually something to embrace. Now that "flowery" language that is "God is Love" without judgment is perpetuated in Christian Contemporary Music. Vatican II has done more in that sense, in unifying the faiths through CCM than anything.

The only calling-out, separation message is preached by the Adventists. Do you know another group preaching the 3 angels message other than the 1844 remnants?

Not a one. But that isn't to say "judgment" is bad, nor do I look at "judgment" as bad. Why would I? The "wicked" have much to be afraid of, but not from God, but from he who is perpetuating a viscous myth about God - His character, His nature, His government have all come into question because of the lies sowed about Him.

The 3 angel message announces the judgment hour, exposes the sins of Babylon and warns against receiving the MOB. The essence of the 3AM, when properly understood, is the true righteousness by faith message taught from Genesis to Revelation. This is the full gospel, not scare tactics or gloom & doom. That's why Rev 14:7 calls 3AM the 'everlasting gospel'.

Well, I see what you are saying, but I have said since initially hearing about the "true God of Love" when I became an Adventist it is simply this.....if the truth about God doesn't win the lost the the cross of Christ, nothing will.

I'm all for God's love. But love without judgment is not love at all. It's favoritism.

Love without "judgment" is certainly not part of God's plan, but who is getting judged and what is the "judgment" about? The wicked, not the saved. The true character of God, not the false character of Satan. The saved are the one's sitting in judgment. Shall we bring any to God by doing just as other churches and denominations do, by scaring folks and misrepresenting who God is? Or displaying the very character He gives us through His Holy Spirit?

 

[Idol Breaker]

And I make Three, that's former Baptist that is, I was raised Baptist, went searching in other churches, ended up back at an Independent Baptist Chruch then eventually gave up altogether, or at least I thought. That was until my wife decided she need some counciling for he depression and her son hooked her up with an Adventist councilor. She started back to church, got rebaptist and had the entire church praying for me, she even prayed over me while I slept. Hey, what can I say, you can't fight God with all his people. So here I am, more determined to be a follower of He who died for us then I have ever been in my entire life.

RND, you are correct, it is the message of the Love of God that should convience anybody to turn themselves over to His will. However, along with the message of His love is also the message of His justice as well, afterall, His justice by His love is our assurance that we will never ever have to deal with SIN again. No more Satan tempting us, No more minions of his constantly putting sinfulness within our path. We are commanded by Christ to love our neighbor as we love ourselves and to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. If I were blind and deaf and standing on a railroad track with an oncoming train approaching I sure would like it if someone found a way to warn me. This world is that track, and Christ's return is that train. We need to let people know the danger they are in if they are not right with God. It is our duty, out of love, to ring the warning bell, or sound the trumpet and to deliver both the message of God's love and the message of His justice. If we fail to do either we fail as watchmen.

 

[OntheDL]

Hey OntheDL I knew we had something in common! I was baptisified in a Baptist church as well!

Yeah, I still love the Baptist people and my pastor in that church.

Yeah, I agree somewhat. However, I do believe that "judgment" is preached in these denominations but I see judgment as something not to be afraid of but actually something to embrace. Now that "flowery" language that is "God is Love" without judgment is perpetuated in Christian Contemporary Music. Vatican II has done more in that sense, in unifying the faiths through CCM than anything.

RND, the ecumenism is achieved through the convergence of liturgy AND theology. You look at how the protestants disdained Catholicism just a few decades ago and you look at now almost all of them have recanted their papacy is the anti-christ teaching. The jesuits could not bring Pentecostals into Rome's fold, they brought Celebration into Pentecostalism and see how their teachings have changed. I know you said you are a relatively new Adventist. Look at how our official teachings have changed over the years on many fronts. That's alarming and disheartening.

Not a one. But that isn't to say "judgment" is bad, nor do I look at "judgment" as bad. Why would I? The "wicked" have much to be afraid of, but not from God, but from he who is perpetuating a viscous myth about God - His character, His nature, His government have all come into question because of the lies sowed about Him.

Well, I see what you are saying, but I have said since initially hearing about the "true God of Love" when I became an Adventist it is simply this.....if the truth about God doesn't win the lost the the cross of Christ, nothing will.

Love without "judgment" is certainly not part of God's plan, but who is getting judged and what is the "judgment" about? The wicked, not the saved. The true character of God, not the false character of Satan. The saved are the one's sitting in judgment. Shall we bring any to God by doing just as other churches and denominations do, by scaring folks and misrepresenting who God is? Or displaying the very character He gives us through His Holy Spirit?

I always say noboby will get to heaven because they don't want to go to hell. Love is the motive. Through my own struggles, I know that's the only way to overcome this sinful world.

However judgment is the center of our/Adventist message.

Ecclesiates 12
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The judgment begins at the house of the Lord, with us first, since 1844. The professed believers are judged first and judgment is going ont even now. It's during the 1000 year reign, the redeemed will then judge the wicked.

Why do the redeemed need to be judged since LORD Himself knows from the beginning who is saved and who is not? Because it's not us who are really on trial. It's God Himself on trial in this Great Controversy. The redeemed who have had their character transformed to be Christ-like (christian) are the solid proof to the inquiring minds of the universe of God's perfect love and perfect justice. Then the Great controversy is forever settled. Affliction then shall not arise the second time.

 

[PaleHorse]

(Am impressed with all the former Baptists!)

Though she wasn't baptised into the church, my wife could be called a former Baptist as well since her whole family is in the Baptist church and she was raised with those beliefs.

(Sorry for the off-topic comment)

 

[Gerald10]

i live in South Africa and in a home where i am the only SDA Christian and very proud of it. The end time message that we have as Adventists is head and shoulders above what gets preached in Sunday churches here in my country. The amazing thing is that the Sunday churches here in South Africa take their cue from the American Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. They emulate those churches word for word and action by action. I strongly disagree with the statment that the SDA church is all love and peace but i can assure you that most of the SDA churches here in S.A are about preaching the soon return of Jesus and the 3 angels message. For you guys it may be doom and gloom but for us as SDA Christians it is joy because we know in a little while in a twinkling of the eye we are going home.

Jesus said to the disciples to watch and pray as one of the signs that would befall them would be the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. Imagine if that message was not preached to the Christains living during that time would they have recognized the signs when the armies of rome surrounded the gates of Jerusalem? Nope i think they would have went down to their houses to salvage what they could and would have been killed in the process. Instead they recognized the sign and fled and the SOP tells us that not one Christian perished during that onslaught. Can we watch and discern the times on our own? My answer is NO, we can only do that if we have our eyes fixed on Revealer of all truth and that is Jesus. The mission of the SDA church is to sound the alarm bells of the destruction of this world as given in the 3 angles message. And yes it will be all doom and gloom for those who have not accepted the truth as it is in Jesus.

My family belongs to the Pentecostal / Charismatic movement and they are all for peace in this soon ending world of turmoil. Jesus said peace i give unto you not as the world gives and i know that the peace He gives will be sufficient for me and faithful SDA's even during this time of gloom and doom.

Your brother in Christ

Gerald

 

[Greatfull]

Can you guys believe all that is happening at such a higher than alarming rate?

 

[RND]

Can you guys believe all that is happening at such a higher than alarming rate?

I can. We were told these things were going happen this way and when. The more things happen the closer we are to seeing our glorious Savior coming in the clouds with great power and glory.