Revelation: The Bride, the Beast & Babylon - Full Film (English, w/ Spanish subs.)

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Revelation: The Bride, the Beast & Babylon - Full Film (English, w/ Spanish subs.)

Apocalipsis, La Esposa, La Bestia Y Babilonia [Ministerio-M3A.com] on Vimeo

Let me know what you think about the theology, prophecy and history, thank you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revelation: The Bride, the Beast & Babylon - Full Film (English, w/ Spanish subs.)

Apocalipsis, La Esposa, La Bestia Y Babilonia [Ministerio-M3A.com] on Vimeo

Let me know what you think about the theology, prophecy and history, thank you.

This topic should probably be posted on this sub-board, IMHO........

http://www.christianforums.com/f14/
Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum for the discussion of future events. No full preterist views. Partial preterists welcomed.


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[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

This topic should probably be posted on this sub-board, IMHO.........

Thank you for your opinion, but I must disagree, since it deals with the basics of understanding of Jesus the Christ and His Church throughout the centuries, and the historical events and understanding, and the primary historical is not the eschatological.

Ps. let me know when you actually view the entirety, and then comment, thank you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thank you for your opinion, but I must disagree, since it deals with the basics of understanding of Jesus the Christ and His Church throughout the centuries, and the historical events and understanding, and the primary historical is not the eschatological.

Ps. let me know when you actually view the entirety, and then comment, thank you.

Fwiw, I have no intention of viewing it.....



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[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Fwiw, I have no intention of viewing it......

Any particular reasons?

 

[WanderingBloom]

Thank you for posting this link. I'll watch it and see what its about. Not alot of film makers dabble in Revelation and bringing it to the screen. They focus usually on the OT or Jesus.
Thanks again.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Fwiw, I have no intention of viewing it.....



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Me neither. Furthermore, this thread's in the wrong forum.

 

[jsimms615]

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[Interplanner]

John looks very healthy and about 60. If he was a prisoner on Patmos in 91, he'd be about 90 and sickly.

 

[Interplanner]

I like how it stays in the 1st century setting (I'm about 15 mins in). I don't know that the beast is as harsh on the believers as the harlot whose actions parallel Mt 23. The beast is harsh on Jews as much as on believers...

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

John looks very healthy and about 60. If he was a prisoner on Patmos in 91, he'd be about 90 and sickly.

Do not forget God's health rules, and being close to the one who is Life, consider even Moses:

And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. Deuteronomy 34:7

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

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Can you explain why please? Can you demonstrate from the documentary itself, where the bulk of the Eschatology part is, for surely it was noticed for those which actually viewed the material, that it was in the historic, primarily discussing doctrine of the church?

 

[Douggg]

Okay, I watched it and there was a lot of good information of the video, although I think the SDA view of the woman in Revelation 12 is the church. Also the video did not match the title, imo. It should have been titled something else. I think it is probably more of a general theology video myself.

 

[Interplanner]

Maybe the problem is futurists tend to skip church history too. Making the film's writer wish that kind of thing was covered. There are certainly questions to resolve about what happened with Constantine, but the departure from the text didn't help. A film writer should also know that eerie music and graphics will achieve something before the person has real content absorbed. This is not a good procedure.

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Maybe the problem is futurists tend to skip church history too. [...]

Well the present Futurist and Preterist theologies are Roman Catholic Jesuit counter-reformation theologies {Jesuits Francisco Ribera, Roberto Bellarmine, Manuel deLacunza, Luis deAlcasar, &c}:

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

Amillennialist theology is also rooted in Romanism and especially Augustine {who consequently got the theology from the heretical theologies of the Egyptian Alexandrian 'schools' of thought which spiritualized and allegorized away the truth of "the Millennium" {1000 years}, already prevalent with the heretic Origen, who spiritualized and allegorized everything}.

Also we see that the current bent toward the attempt to make Islam/Turk/Ottoman power the Antichrist {an old resurrected idea, also stemming from Romanism; Cyril of Jerusalem; John of Damascus, &c and later people like Hilaire Belloc, a Roman Catholic {suspected Jesuit} associated with the Marian Shrine, and is written and admired by the Jesuit order, ie. James V Schall; and others like Walid S, whose claimed background is suspect as noted by leading reporters, News agencies, whose wife is Roman Catholic, and every chance he gets to defend Roman Catholicism from being identified as AntiChrist he does so, preaching everywhere in 'protestant' churches} is again being pushed by the Jesuits again {under various persons}, so that Rome has its outwardly apparent nemesis, its antithesis, one of its two Hegelian ideologies {the other it currently outwardly opposes is atheism/secualrism}. {this is not about the "-ic", but about the "-ism"}

All are mere diversions, delusions, sleight-of-hand and deception put in the place of the Truth.

History of the Seventh-day Adventist Church - YouTube

Truth

THE GREAT CONTROVERSY - YouTube

THE FIRST ANGEL'S MESSAGE: THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL - YouTube

THE THIRD ANGEL'S MESSAGE: The Mark of the Beast 666 (HD) - YouTube

Don't believe me? Open your Bibles to the Books of Daniel and lets begin there...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe the problem is futurists tend to skip church history too. Making the film's writer wish that kind of thing was covered. There are certainly questions to resolve about what happened with Constantine, but the departure from the text didn't help. A film writer should also know that eerie music and graphics will achieve something before the person has real content absorbed. This is not a good procedure.

Well the present Futurist and Preterist theologies are Roman Catholic Jesuit counter-reformation theologies {Jesuits Francisco Ribera, Roberto Bellarmine, Manuel deLacunza, Luis deAlcasar, &c}:

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

Amillennialist theology is also rooted in Romanism and especially Augustine {who consequently got the theology from the heretical theologies of the Egyptian Alexandrian 'schools' of thought which spiritualized and allegorized away the truth of "the Millennium" {1000 years}, already prevalent with the heretic Origen, who spiritualized and allegorized everything}.


Don't believe me? Open your Bibles to the Books of Daniel and lets begin there...

Let's do.
Even the apostate non-Christian Jews of today do not understand that book their Messiah, Jesus, mentioned in the Gospels

Mat 24:15
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

Mar 13:14
“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.


Daniel, the Book of - Jewish Knowledge Base

Redirect - Under construction

..........................As a final point I have to ask how, after those early churches embarrassed everyone by reading Daniel in an uncritical way and being gullible about the Bible, and prophecy in particular, you really have to wonder why any other modern church would want to do the same thing, repeat the same mistake, and embarrass themselves in the same way as those early churches did. It turns out that there are certain things you can learn by not taking the Bible literally all the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

You see if you read Daniel's prophecy it states that 'an anointed prince' would be swept away and then the one who killed him would 'enter a seven year covenant' and practice all sorts of abominations, and, as it states in an even more jarring and incongruous fashion, 'the end of the world would come swiftly like a flood.' All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture. A doctrine of the 'revived Roman empire' was then concocted, and at the time this happens, the clock will start ticking again and that last bit of prophecy will finally be fulfilled.

This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world.

This 'clock' must have 'stopped ticking' as well, awaiting the awakening and the rise of the 'revived Selucid Greek empire' at which time it will finally be fulfilled. This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12. Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.'.........................................................

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[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

Let's do [...]

Mat 24:15
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

Mar 13:14
“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains

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If you truly do LLoJ, then let us consider Jesus words, in the context of their setting first, and then before running ahead to the end of the books of Daniel, let us begin at the first.

 

[Bible2]

Shiny Gospel Shoes quoted a website in post 15:

Also we see that the current bent toward the attempt to make Islam/Turk/Ottoman power the Antichrist {an old resurrected idea, also stemming from Romanism; Cyril of Jerusalem; John of Damascus, &c and later people like Hilaire Belloc, a Roman Catholic {suspected Jesuit} associated with the Marian Shrine, and is written and admired by the Jesuit order, ie. James V Schall; and others like Walid S, whose claimed background is suspect as noted by leading reporters, News agencies, whose wife is Roman Catholic, and every chance he gets to defend Roman Catholicism from being identified as AntiChrist he does so, preaching everywhere in 'protestant' churches} is again being pushed by the Jesuits again {under various persons}, so that Rome has its outwardly apparent nemesis, its antithesis, one of its two Hegelian ideologies {the other it currently outwardly opposes is atheism/secualrism}. {this is not about the "-ic", but about the "-ism"}

All are mere diversions, delusions, sleight-of-hand and deception put in the place of the Truth.

Note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Christ, whereas the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, whereas the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whereas the Antichrist will say that he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Catholicism in its current form (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

 

[Bible2]

LittleLambofJesus quoted a website in post 16:

You see if you read Daniel's prophecy it states that 'an anointed prince' would be swept away and then the one who killed him would 'enter a seven year covenant' and practice all sorts of abominations, and, as it states in an even more jarring and incongruous fashion, 'the end of the world would come swiftly like a flood.' All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture.

In Daniel 9:26, the original Hebrew word (karath, H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). The first century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). The future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be the fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Messiah in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.

This treaty will allow this false Messiah and his followers to keep a 3rd Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so that the Muslims can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this treaty (Daniel 9:26a), the Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly, and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least 7 years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".

In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the 3rd temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

LittleLambofJesus quoted a website in post 16:

This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world.

Regarding the "abomination of desolation", Daniel 11:31 was indeed typically fulfilled by the abomination of desolation in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:15, the church will see the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the abomination of desolation "stand" "in" the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future abomination of desolation could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31) to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15), after they have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of the temple (Daniel 11:31). This image will "pollute" the holy place of the temple (Daniel 11:31).

The Antichrist will then fulfill Daniel 11:36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 by sitting himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will then rule and be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), and will physically overcome Biblical Christians in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). Also, because the Antichrist will fulfill Daniel 11:31 antitypically (Matthew 24:15) and will fulfill Daniel 11:36 for the first (and only) time, then he will also fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 (the first part of it antitypically, and the rest for the first and only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the Antichrist will fulfill all of Daniel 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Daniel 11:13-19 could be fulfilled antitypically by an Iraqi Baathist General completely defeating and occupying Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").