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Man, this one is gonna be a heavy one. But, here goes it.

Date
May 15, 2024 | Rebuking Worldly Churches​
Verse
1 Timothy 5:20 (ESV): "As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear."

Galatians 2:11-14 (ESV): "But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, ‘If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?’"​
Explanation
1 Timothy 5:20 is a command from the apostle Paul to Timothy, instructing him to rebuke those who persist in sin in the presence of the entire congregation. The purpose of this public rebuke is to make an example and deter others from falling into the same sin. It also creates a fear of accountability and encourages a lifestyle of obedience to God's Word.​
Galatians 2:11-14 is an account of an incident where Paul confronted Peter (Cephas) for hypocritically separating himself from Gentile believers when Jewish leaders arrived. Paul challenged Peter's actions, stating that if he, as a Jew, lived like a Gentile, he should not force Gentiles to live like Jews. This passage highlights the importance of maintaining the truth of the gospel and not compromising it for the sake of pleasing others or fearing their opinions.

A.W. Tozer's quote, "The church that can’t worship must be entertained. And leaders who can’t lead a church to worship must provide the entertainment", emphasizes the need for authentic worship within the church. When a church cannot engage in genuine worship, they often resort to entertainment to keep the congregation engaged. However, this can lead to harmful, secular practices being introduced into the church.
Societal Relevance
In modern society, some churches have resorted to including secular music or events into the sanctuary. One notable example was a church in Ohio, where a pastor kicked the Holy Bible in a game of football on the stage with the other church leaders, and then held a sacrilegious music performance of Wrecking Ball in early 2024. Nobody inside the church had the guts to call out the pastor’s actions.

However, in April 2024, a Christian men’s conference at James River Church in Missouri entered public notoriety when megachurch pastor John Lindell invited a sword-swallower (a former Las Vegas strip club performer) to perform an acrobatic stunt on a tall beam in front of thousands, sparking outrage. Pastor Mark Driscoll* spoke out when he quoted that the Jezebel spirit had entered the church: "Before the Word of God was open, there was a platform. It was a high place. On it was a pole, an ashera, the same thing that's used in a strip club by women who have the Jezebel spirit to seduce men. And in front of that was a man who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club".

In other words, Mark Driscoll spoke the truth, in front of the congregation, which pastor Lindell fought back with a perversion of scripture. Lindell misquoted Matthew 18, saying that Driscoll should have spoken privately. However, 1 Timothy 5:20 clearly states that to protect the church, it may be necessary to speak out when a wrongdoing has been committed by those who sin in front of a congregation. Remember, rebuking sin is necessary sometimes, in order to protect the sanctity of the church.

*Disclaimer: However, we must also realize that Mark Driscoll is not blameless, in fact, his church teachings have been cult-like. For instance, Mark Driscoll’s church (Mars Hill) uses surveillance on anyone who does not agree with his teachings. He has cussed out his staff members using profanity, as well as calling security out on anyone who disagrees with the conduct of the Driscoll family run church. In 2012, using the analogy of a bus for his church, Mark Driscoll used a threatening message “There is a pile of bodies behind the Mars Hill [church] bus”. So, in other words, the hypocrisy of Mark Driscoll is evident. Pastor Driscoll mandates loyalty of his congregation, or else he threatens his people in a similar tactic to how dictators control the populace in third world countries would. My mom told me the dangers of YouTube pastors, and explained that Driscoll has been running a cult for over a decade. Source: The Roy’s Report – Mark Driscoll’s Cult-like Actions and 24/7 Surveillance

In 2023, Reverend Dr. Caleb J. Lines preached a false teaching (5 minute video) – a blasphemy, stating that “God is trans” and “gay”, which the Bible clearly states that God made man and women in his image (Genesis 1:27). The congregation failed to rebuke him, as the church had an un-biblical ideology as a whole, similar to the Church of Laodicea (Revelations 3:15). As a Christian bi guy myself, I have made the decision to remain celibate/virgin unless married to a wife, in order to abide by the law of the Bible, abstaining from sin. Yes, some guys are really handsome, especially Asians, but God wants to protect us from sin and illness, which could be brought on by sexual encounters with the same sex. So, let us proclaim the truth, and live our best for Jesus.

To avoid and call out harmful, secular practices in churches, Christians should:
  1. Study God's Word and be familiar with the teachings of the Bible. This knowledge will help in recognizing and distinguishing between biblical and secular practices.
  2. Pray for discernment and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
  3. Encourage church leaders to prioritize genuine worship and biblical teaching.
  4. Speak out against harmful practices in a loving and respectful manner, following the example of Paul in Galatians 2:11-14.
  5. Fellowship with other like-minded believers and churches that prioritize biblical teaching and authentic worship.
Remember that change may not happen overnight, but consistent prayer and advocacy for biblical truth can make a significant impact in the life of one’s church.
 
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Man, this one is gonna be a heavy one. But, here goes it.

Date
May 15, 2024 | Rebuking Worldly Churches​
Verse
1 Timothy 5:20 (ESV): "As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear."

Galatians 2:11-14 (ESV): "But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, ‘If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?’"​
Explanation
1 Timothy 5:20 is a command from the apostle Paul to Timothy, instructing him to rebuke those who persist in sin in the presence of the entire congregation. The purpose of this public rebuke is to make an example and deter others from falling into the same sin. It also creates a fear of accountability and encourages a lifestyle of obedience to God's Word.​
Galatians 2:11-14 is an account of an incident where Paul confronted Peter (Cephas) for hypocritically separating himself from Gentile believers when Jewish leaders arrived. Paul challenged Peter's actions, stating that if he, as a Jew, lived like a Gentile, he should not force Gentiles to live like Jews. This passage highlights the importance of maintaining the truth of the gospel and not compromising it for the sake of pleasing others or fearing their opinions.

A.W. Tozer's quote, "The church that can’t worship must be entertained. And leaders who can’t lead a church to worship must provide the entertainment", emphasizes the need for authentic worship within the church. When a church cannot engage in genuine worship, they often resort to entertainment to keep the congregation engaged. However, this can lead to harmful, secular practices being introduced into the church.
Societal Relevance
In modern society, some churches have resorted to including secular music or events into the sanctuary. One notable example was a church in Ohio, where a pastor kicked the Holy Bible in a game of football on the stage with the other church leaders, and then held a sacrilegious music performance of Wrecking Ball in early 2024. Nobody inside the church had the guts to call out the pastor’s actions.

However, in April 2024, a Christian men’s conference at James River Church in Missouri entered public notoriety when megachurch pastor John Lindell invited a sword-swallower (a former Las Vegas strip club performer) to perform an acrobatic stunt on a tall beam in front of thousands, sparking outrage. Pastor Mark Driscoll* spoke out when he quoted that the Jezebel spirit had entered the church: "Before the Word of God was open, there was a platform. It was a high place. On it was a pole, an ashera, the same thing that's used in a strip club by women who have the Jezebel spirit to seduce men. And in front of that was a man who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club".

In other words, Mark Driscoll spoke the truth, in front of the congregation, which pastor Lindell fought back with a perversion of scripture. Lindell misquoted Matthew 18, saying that Driscoll should have spoken privately. However, 1 Timothy 5:20 clearly states that to protect the church, it may be necessary to speak out when a wrongdoing has been committed by those who sin in front of a congregation. Remember, rebuking sin is necessary sometimes, in order to protect the sanctity of the church.

*Disclaimer: However, we must also realize that Mark Driscoll is not blameless, in fact, his church teachings have been cult-like. For instance, Mark Driscoll’s church (Mars Hill) uses surveillance on anyone who does not agree with his teachings. He has cussed out his staff members using profanity, as well as calling security out on anyone who disagrees with the conduct of the Driscoll family run church. In 2012, using the analogy of a bus for his church, Mark Driscoll used a threatening message “There is a pile of bodies behind the Mars Hill [church] bus”. So, in other words, the hypocrisy of Mark Driscoll is evident. Pastor Driscoll mandates loyalty of his congregation, or else he threatens his people in a similar tactic to how dictators control the populace in third world countries would. My mom told me the dangers of YouTube pastors, and explained that Driscoll has been running a cult for over a decade. Source: The Roy’s Report – Mark Driscoll’s Cult-like Actions and 24/7 Surveillance

In 2023, Reverend Dr. Caleb J. Lines preached a false teaching (5 minute video) – a blasphemy, stating that “God is trans” and “gay”, which the Bible clearly states that God made man and women in his image (Genesis 1:27). The congregation failed to rebuke him, as the church had an un-biblical ideology as a whole, similar to the Church of Laodicea (Revelations 3:15). As a Christian bi guy myself, I have made the decision to remain celibate/virgin unless married to a wife, in order to abide by the law of the Bible, abstaining from sin. Yes, some guys are really handsome, especially Asians, but God wants to protect us from sin and illness, which could be brought on by sexual encounters with the same sex. So, let us proclaim the truth, and live our best for Jesus.

To avoid and call out harmful, secular practices in churches, Christians should:
  1. Study God's Word and be familiar with the teachings of the Bible. This knowledge will help in recognizing and distinguishing between biblical and secular practices.
  2. Pray for discernment and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
  3. Encourage church leaders to prioritize genuine worship and biblical teaching.
  4. Speak out against harmful practices in a loving and respectful manner, following the example of Paul in Galatians 2:11-14.
  5. Fellowship with other like-minded believers and churches that prioritize biblical teaching and authentic worship.
Remember that change may not happen overnight, but consistent prayer and advocacy for biblical truth can make a significant impact in the life of one’s church.
yes i would big time beware of mark driscoll . even if he did say a certain truth .
Those who sin rebuke before all that others might also FEAR . fear to what , TO SIN .
i dont see any of this in many places today .
Nor do i even see the reading of many scriptures either . at most i see a few scrips thrown here and there
and yet them scrips are used to support an idea THAT came not OF GOD at all . Now who would ever do such a thing
as to use a scrip out of text to imply something that is not true . And thus who is one following
if they do such a thing . It really is time we get back into the scriptures for ourselves my friend .
By grace , and by grace it was , GOD put a strong desire to know and to love HIM upon my heart .
This was way back in may thirtieth of two thousand and six .
HE Put a love for reading that bible in my heart , as by grace i could just sit and read that lovely book
for hours daily , and by grace that same love of the truth has kept me in that book daily , every day
to learn and be refreshed . That my friend was over eighteen years ago .
This was the work of the LORD and thus its not to boast in me one bit . FOR i was the worst of the worst
and then the mercy of GOD came upon me and drew me to Christ JESUS and into that BOOK i went daily .
STILL love reading it too . Man it sure can clear a whole lot of things up too .
Many men can quaote scrips but they use them and twist them to support their own demonational teachings
and even their own sins too . This is why , BY that SAME GRACE , by the unctions of the SPIRIT
i am doing all that i can to get people back into the bible To read it for themselves .
LEt us learn about THAT JESUS , that doctrine , the doctrine of the apostels and all things written for our learning .
For many men are fleecing and decieving thier own flocks and worse many just love to have this so .
 
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yes i would big time beware of mark driscoll . even if he did say a certain truth .
Those who sin rebuke before all that others might also FEAR . fear to what , TO SIN .
i dont see any of this in many places today .
Nor do i even see the reading of many scriptures either . at most i see a few scrips thrown here and there
and yet them scrips are used to support an idea THAT came not OF GOD at all . Now who would ever do such a thing
as to use a scrip out of text to imply something that is not true . And thus who is one following
if they do such a thing . It really is time we get back into the scriptures for ourselves my friend .
By grace , and by grace it was , GOD put a strong desire to know and to love HIM upon my heart .
This was way back in may thirtieth of two thousand and six .
HE Put a love for reading that bible in my heart , as by grace i could just sit and read that lovely book
for hours daily , and by grace that same love of the truth has kept me in that book daily , every day
to learn and be refreshed . That my friend was over eighteen years ago .
This was the work of the LORD and thus its not to boast in me one bit . FOR i was the worst of the worst
and then the mercy of GOD came upon me and drew me to Christ JESUS and into that BOOK i went daily .
STILL love reading it too . Man it sure can clear a whole lot of things up too .
Many men can quaote scrips but they use them and twist them to support their own demonational teachings
and even their own sins too . This is why , BY that SAME GRACE , by the unctions of the SPIRIT
i am doing all that i can to get people back into the bible To read it for themselves .
LEt us learn about THAT JESUS , that doctrine , the doctrine of the apostels and all things written for our learning .
For many men are fleecing and decieving thier own flocks and worse many just love to have this so .
Agreed. We should avoid Mark Driscoll, even if he spoke one thing out of truth. Luckily, I go to a Catholic church where the scriptures are read.
 
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Agreed. We should avoid Mark Driscoll, even if he spoke one thing out of truth. Luckily, I go to a Catholic church where the scriptures are read.
Spend much time in that bible and in prayer my friend .
if i had a nickle for every time a memember of any denomination said
We go to a church where scripture is read , i could feed much of the poor .
Not to mention a lot of scripture aint being read and much has been
translated to suit its own DENOMINATIONAL teachings of men .
Many are truly being decieved and have they no idea they are being decieved .
Many there are who are very STAUNCH in the beleifs of men and have no idea
what christaintiy has lost my friend . And believe me when i say
THEY can twist any thing to explain WHY they do as they do .
Get in them scrips big time . IT wont take long before you realize the very same thing i did .
 
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yes i would big time beware of mark driscoll . even if he did say a certain truth .
Those who sin rebuke before all that others might also FEAR . fear to what , TO SIN .
i dont see any of this in many places today .
Nor do i even see the reading of many scriptures either . at most i see a few scrips thrown here and there
and yet them scrips are used to support an idea THAT came not OF GOD at all . Now who would ever do such a thing
as to use a scrip out of text to imply something that is not true . And thus who is one following
if they do such a thing . It really is time we get back into the scriptures for ourselves my friend .
By grace , and by grace it was , GOD put a strong desire to know and to love HIM upon my heart .
This was way back in may thirtieth of two thousand and six .
HE Put a love for reading that bible in my heart , as by grace i could just sit and read that lovely book
for hours daily , and by grace that same love of the truth has kept me in that book daily , every day
to learn and be refreshed . That my friend was over eighteen years ago .
This was the work of the LORD and thus its not to boast in me one bit . FOR i was the worst of the worst
and then the mercy of GOD came upon me and drew me to Christ JESUS and into that BOOK i went daily .
STILL love reading it too . Man it sure can clear a whole lot of things up too .
Many men can quaote scrips but they use them and twist them to support their own demonational teachings
and even their own sins too . This is why , BY that SAME GRACE , by the unctions of the SPIRIT
i am doing all that i can to get people back into the bible To read it for themselves .
LEt us learn about THAT JESUS , that doctrine , the doctrine of the apostels and all things written for our learning .
For many men are fleecing and decieving thier own flocks and worse many just love to have this so .
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Spend much time in that bible and in prayer my friend .
if i had a nickle for every time a memember of any denomination said
We go to a church where scripture is read , i could feed much of the poor .
Not to mention a lot of scripture aint being read and much has been
translated to suit its own DENOMINATIONAL teachings of men .
Many are truly being decieved and have they no idea they are being decieved .
Many there are who are very STAUNCH in the beleifs of men and have no idea
what christaintiy has lost my friend . And believe me when i say
THEY can twist any thing to explain WHY they do as they do .
Get in them scrips big time . IT wont take long before you realize the very same thing i did .
Agreed. Since April 2024, I have been getting into the scriptures way more.
 
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