RAPTURE***Who is the bride
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"You have slipped back to step 3 again...
3 Step Debate Strategy used by Some Dispensationalists:
1. Ignore or ridicule the origin of the doctrine.
2. Cherry-pick, ignore, twist, divide, or change scripture to make the doctrine work.
3. Make a personal attack on those who dare to question the doctrine.
Speaking condemnation against another Christian for not accepting your doctrine, is about as low as one can go.
You have turned the doctrine into a cult"
OK .... I am going to answer my questions put forth to you for the forum just to show how foolish you look, and how acrid your behavior is because you have lost your position [preteristic/amil/post tribulation rant] .... all I need are just two passages of scripture [there are many more]
You are the one who throws your discrediting mumbo-jumbo all over a poster thinking that this will somehow disqualify biblical truth brought forth
And you do this by accusation and by application of the very same behavior that you yourself initiates
The following scriptures destroy your denial of a future millennial kingdom with mortals inhabiting the same.... because there will be .... and this biblical fact refutes your entire theology
Only a mortal can be deceived by Satan and immortals would never disobey the Lord's commands in His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth
I would suggest that you acknowledge your error in order to save some credibility for yourself
Zechariah
14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
Revelation
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them [the pre-tribulation ecclesia]: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years [those who will become believers during the tribulation].
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
.... and to return to the subject of this thread
It is the "bride of Christ" [the Lord's true ecclesia] who will rule over the mortals of the millennial kingdom [Revelation 20:4] .... both those of the pre-tribulation transformation and those of the tribulation martyrs
3 Step Debate Strategy used by Some Dispensationalists:
1. Ignore or ridicule the origin of the doctrine.
2. Cherry-pick, ignore, twist, divide, or change scripture to make the doctrine work.
3. Make a personal attack on those who dare to question the doctrine.
Speaking condemnation against another Christian for not accepting your doctrine, is about as low as one can go.
You have turned the doctrine into a cult"
OK .... I am going to answer my questions put forth to you for the forum just to show how foolish you look, and how acrid your behavior is because you have lost your position [preteristic/amil/post tribulation rant] .... all I need are just two passages of scripture [there are many more]
You are the one who throws your discrediting mumbo-jumbo all over a poster thinking that this will somehow disqualify biblical truth brought forth
And you do this by accusation and by application of the very same behavior that you yourself initiates
The following scriptures destroy your denial of a future millennial kingdom with mortals inhabiting the same.... because there will be .... and this biblical fact refutes your entire theology
Only a mortal can be deceived by Satan and immortals would never disobey the Lord's commands in His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth
I would suggest that you acknowledge your error in order to save some credibility for yourself
Zechariah
14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
Revelation
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them [the pre-tribulation ecclesia]: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years [those who will become believers during the tribulation].
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
.... and to return to the subject of this thread
It is the "bride of Christ" [the Lord's true ecclesia] who will rule over the mortals of the millennial kingdom [Revelation 20:4] .... both those of the pre-tribulation transformation and those of the tribulation martyrs
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Hebrews 13:13
You are assuming Revelation 14:12 is talking about the actual ten commandments. For all you know, John could be talking about these two commandments as listed in 1 John 3:22-24 for abiding in Him as His disciples.
There are no scripture for teaching the believers in the N.T.; Gentiles & Jews alike, to keep the sabbath day holy any more because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. This is why Jesus made several reference in the O.T. on how some have profaned the sabbath day and yet because of the temple, they were guiltless and so this is why Jesus said that in this place, something greater than the Temple was here; meaning Himself, because it is His righteousness apart from the law that is bringing us Home. ( Matthew 12:1-8 & Romans 3:24-28 ) This is why Paul says not to judge any one by the day they regard or not regard. Romans 14:4-8
Now as far as church goers on Sunday goes... you are overlooking Paul's instruction to all the churches when to hold their collections for the ministry of the saints.
1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
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You have now taken step 3 and combined it with step 2.
You are Cherry-picking again.
The verses you used from Zech. chapter 14 do sound like mortals doing things that mortals do, when viewed without the context of "the Day of the Lord" in the earlier verses.
However, if we understand that the description is occurring on "the Day of the Lord", it places the language in context.
We find the same situation in Isaiah chapter 65. We have a description that sounds like normal humans doing things that humans normally do.
However, they are doing it in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
Many believe the New Heavens and the New Earth will be similar to the Garden of Eden. We do not know exactly what it will be like.
Perhaps this is what the prophets are describing in these passages.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. This fallen, sin-cursed world is going to be replaced by the New Heavens and the New Earth.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. There is a New Jerusalem, which is now above.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. The people of God will be living in the New Jerusalem.
If we viewed this verse without those above it, we might think it is a reference to the Jerusalem of this world.
This is why Cherry-picking never gives a correct interpretation.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
This sounds like mortal humans, if taken out of context, just like your verses from Zech.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
These descriptions must be understood as occurring in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
Therefore, they cannot apply to mortals.
You can try to make your doctrine work by selecting some passages and ignoring others.
Posting a few verses and then demanding that myself or others explain them outside of context, is a vain attempt to make your doctrine sound reasonable.
However, when taken as a whole, the Dispensational Futurist doctrine falls apart.
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"You can try to make your doctrine work by selecting some passages and ignoring others."
Exactly what you are doing BAB .... not I .... I do not have to "try"
All scripture is 100% compatible, no contradictions
It is your doctrine that is false BAB .... and you again avoid the fact that mortals will be living in the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth
And this truth deals a lethal blow to your post-tribulation theology which in turn is used to debunk a pre-tribulation call for the Lord's true ecclesia
If this call came at the ending of the tribulation as you teach, there would be no believing mortals upon the earth to enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom .... but there will be [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]
You can argue until your are blue in the face, but scripture refutes your theology hands down
Exactly what you are doing BAB .... not I .... I do not have to "try"
All scripture is 100% compatible, no contradictions
It is your doctrine that is false BAB .... and you again avoid the fact that mortals will be living in the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth
And this truth deals a lethal blow to your post-tribulation theology which in turn is used to debunk a pre-tribulation call for the Lord's true ecclesia
If this call came at the ending of the tribulation as you teach, there would be no believing mortals upon the earth to enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom .... but there will be [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]
You can argue until your are blue in the face, but scripture refutes your theology hands down
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"Do you agree that a new vision started in Reevlation 19:1?"
Absolutely not .... and certainly not as you want to use your idea
Revelation 19:1-9 is a vision of the pre-tribulation immortal church of the Lord's true ecclesia
The same is seen several times in Revelation's unfolding just before, during, and after the coming tribulation [Revelation 3:10, 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 11:1; 12:12; 13:6; 17:14; 18:4; 19:1-9; 19:14; 20:4] [those on "thrones" .... the symbol of the Lord's government]
Absolutely not .... and certainly not as you want to use your idea
Revelation 19:1-9 is a vision of the pre-tribulation immortal church of the Lord's true ecclesia
The same is seen several times in Revelation's unfolding just before, during, and after the coming tribulation [Revelation 3:10, 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 11:1; 12:12; 13:6; 17:14; 18:4; 19:1-9; 19:14; 20:4] [those on "thrones" .... the symbol of the Lord's government]
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"The sheep and goats time is not until the day and hour that man doesn't know is
about to start. That hour and day is the event time of when heaven and earth
will pass away."
No ..... these gatherings will occur immediately after the days of the tribulation, and there are no resurrections of these mortal survivors of both Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]and the Gentiles of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46]
Those found believing will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... as mortals
Those found in unbelief will be rejected
This separation will be based upon those who supported Israel during the tribulation [the Lord's brethren .... His kin] .... and those who did not
Believers [the sheep] in the tribulation will know that their duty is to support Israel in the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30] .... and the unbelieving goats will be against Israel on the tribulation
..... similar to they way people treat Israel today .... either for, or against
about to start. That hour and day is the event time of when heaven and earth
will pass away."
No ..... these gatherings will occur immediately after the days of the tribulation, and there are no resurrections of these mortal survivors of both Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]and the Gentiles of the nations [Matthew 25:31-46]
Those found believing will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... as mortals
Those found in unbelief will be rejected
This separation will be based upon those who supported Israel during the tribulation [the Lord's brethren .... His kin] .... and those who did not
Believers [the sheep] in the tribulation will know that their duty is to support Israel in the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30] .... and the unbelieving goats will be against Israel on the tribulation
..... similar to they way people treat Israel today .... either for, or against
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Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
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1Ti_6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Ti_4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti_4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Tit_2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
1Pe_1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Your "Secret Rapture" is a fairy-tale not found in scripture.
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1 CORINTHIANS 15 [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [44] IT IS SOWN A NATURAL BODY; IT IS RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.......
1 CORINTHIANS 15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
New testament scriptures describing and verifying Psalm 17
PSALM 17 [13] ARISE, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword: [14] From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes. [15] As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, WHEN I AWAKE, WITH THY LIKENESS.
ARISE,O LORD! At this time our mortal bodies will be changed {in the twinkling of an eye} and made in the likeness of Christ
PSALM 132 [7] We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool. [8] ARISE, O LORD, INTO THY REST; thou, and the ark of thy strength. [9] Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
ARISE,O LORD! At that same time our bodies are changed, Christ enters His resting place. The Rapturist would have you to believe that Christ at this time is going back to heaven and taking us with Him. You wont find that in scripture. Its just not there.
PSALM 132 [13] For the LORD hath chosen ZION; he hath desired it for his habitation. [14] This is MY REST FOR EVER: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. [15] I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread. [16] I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
Where is that rest? Zion, Jerusalem, His Holy Mountain.
ZECHARIAH 8 [1] Again the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, [2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury. [3] Thus saith the LORD; I AM RETURNED UNTO ZION, AND WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts THE HOLY MOUNTAIN. [4] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. [5] And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. [6] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I WILL BRING THEM, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.
And I WILL BRING THEM, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:
1 CORINTHIANS 15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE SHALL BE CHANGED. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
New testament scriptures describing and verifying Psalm 17
PSALM 17 [13] ARISE, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword: [14] From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes. [15] As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, WHEN I AWAKE, WITH THY LIKENESS.
ARISE,O LORD! At this time our mortal bodies will be changed {in the twinkling of an eye} and made in the likeness of Christ
PSALM 132 [7] We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool. [8] ARISE, O LORD, INTO THY REST; thou, and the ark of thy strength. [9] Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
ARISE,O LORD! At that same time our bodies are changed, Christ enters His resting place. The Rapturist would have you to believe that Christ at this time is going back to heaven and taking us with Him. You wont find that in scripture. Its just not there.
PSALM 132 [13] For the LORD hath chosen ZION; he hath desired it for his habitation. [14] This is MY REST FOR EVER: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. [15] I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread. [16] I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
Where is that rest? Zion, Jerusalem, His Holy Mountain.
ZECHARIAH 8 [1] Again the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, [2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury. [3] Thus saith the LORD; I AM RETURNED UNTO ZION, AND WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts THE HOLY MOUNTAIN. [4] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age. [5] And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof. [6] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [7] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; [8] And I WILL BRING THEM, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.
And I WILL BRING THEM, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:
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"Someone help me out here"
The argumentation among sectors of professing Christianity has been generated by men over the centuries and primarily for proprietary ambitions [creating exclusive religious followings]
There is only one right way to render the prophetic scriptures and other related direction for the Lord's true church .... but the behavior of many has been to change, meddle, and manipulate the same for self gain
This is done by deliberate deception and or out of the ignorance of those who engage in the practice
Then people will begin to follow these pied pipers and their religious organizations rather than seeking truth from the Lord and His holy spirit by His Word
The result has been and still is to willfully deceive and to be deceived [Matthew 24:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:1-7; 3:1-4; 2 Peter 1:16-21; 2:1-22]
The true bride of Christ are His called out ones [ecclesia]
And He has said that these will be few in number in comparison with most who claim to be His followers ... there is a narrow gate .... and a wide one
So .... expect disagreements to abound, and particularly toward the end of this present age of the Lord's grace
The argumentation among sectors of professing Christianity has been generated by men over the centuries and primarily for proprietary ambitions [creating exclusive religious followings]
There is only one right way to render the prophetic scriptures and other related direction for the Lord's true church .... but the behavior of many has been to change, meddle, and manipulate the same for self gain
This is done by deliberate deception and or out of the ignorance of those who engage in the practice
Then people will begin to follow these pied pipers and their religious organizations rather than seeking truth from the Lord and His holy spirit by His Word
The result has been and still is to willfully deceive and to be deceived [Matthew 24:4-5; 2 Timothy 3:1-7; 3:1-4; 2 Peter 1:16-21; 2:1-22]
The true bride of Christ are His called out ones [ecclesia]
And He has said that these will be few in number in comparison with most who claim to be His followers ... there is a narrow gate .... and a wide one
So .... expect disagreements to abound, and particularly toward the end of this present age of the Lord's grace
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JER.17 [21] Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem;[22] Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but HALLOW YE THE SABBATH DAY, as I commanded your fathers.[23] BUT THEY OBEYED NOT, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.[24] And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but HALLOW THE SABBATH DAY, to do no work therein;[25] Then shall there ENTER INTO THE GATES of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and THIS CITY SHALL REMAIN FOR EVER.
Wanna be amoung them that “enter into the gates”? Theres only one city that will remain forever. Just follow the directions
REV.22 [14] Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.
Read the 4th one
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