Rapture at the 7th Trumpet (1335 - 1290 = 45)

[DarklyDivine]

This is definitely a much debated issue. Here's what I've found studying, feel free to comment or point anything out.

So the origin of the word "rapture" comes from the phrase "caught up" used by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4. The word rapture isn't used in Revelations, but I believe the event takes place at the seventh and final trumpet.

There will be a rapture, and it is a separate event from the second coming (separated by 45 days). It's just a matter of differentiating between the various passages that speak about each one.

From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days [42 months] (Daniel 12:11)

There was given to him a mouth arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. (Rev. 13:5)

The seventh trumpet marks the end of this 42 month reign of the beast or anti-christ, at which point the rapture takes place and the bowls are subsequently poured on earth.

The Seventh Trumpet—Christ’s Reign Foreseen

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

“We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.” (Rev. 11)

Following the Daniel 12 passage,

11 From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to 1,335 days!

The 1290 days or 42 months (reign of the beast) end at the seventh trumpet, there is a period 45 days during which the marriage supper of the Lamb / BEMA seat judgement takes place in heaven and the bowls of wrath are poured out on earth. At the end, on the 1,335th day, the second coming takes place when God's enemies are defeated and the kingdom of God is finally set up on earth.

Is it simple enough or did I miss anything?

 

[Radrook]

Notice how filmmakers are making the rapture into horror stories?

 

[Straightshot]

There are no scriptures that attach a changing to immortality of anyone to the 7th judgment trumpet

This trumpet will sound toward the end of the tribulation heralding the wrap up of His unrelenting unprecedented judgment at the battle of Armageddon

It is then after the days of the tribulation that He will gather the mortal survivors, separate them, and establish His millennial kingdom upon the earth

Those found believing will enter and populate His kingdom .... as mortals

There is no changing to immortality of anyone related to this gathering

Only those who will become believers during the tribulation and martyred for their faith will be made immortal at the end of the judgment [Revelation 6:9-11; 15:2-3] including His tww prophets of Revelation 11

Other questions? .... I will answer

 

[Straightshot]

"Notice how filmmakers are making the rapture into horror stories?"


This kind of stuff is not to be entertained

If you want truth on the matter you must find it in the Lord's Word

 

[Hallstone]

There are no scriptures that attach a changing to immortality of anyone to the 7th judgment trumpet

This trumpet will sound toward the end of the tribulation heralding the wrap up of His unrelenting unprecedented judgment at the battle of Armageddon

It is then after the days of the tribulation that He will gather the mortal survivors, separate them, and establish His millennial kingdom upon the earth

Those found believing will enter and populate His kingdom .... as mortals

There is no changing to immortality of anyone related to this gathering

Only those who will become believers during the tribulation and martyred for their faith will be made immortal at the end of the judgment [Revelation 6:9-11; 15:2-3] including His tww prophets of Revelation 11

Other questions? .... I will answer

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

 

[Straightshot]

You have one of the changing to immortality scriptures .... but there is nothing that ties this to the 7th and last judgment trumpet of Revelation's unfolding

This changing will take place just before the beginning of the Lord's coming judgment period upon a world of unbelief [Revelation 3:10]

 

[Hallstone]

You have one of the changing to immortality scriptures .... but there is nothing that ties this to the 7th and last judgment trumpet of Revelation's unfolding

This changing will take place just before the beginning of the Lord's coming judgment period upon a world of unbelief [Revelation 3:10]

What trumpet do you think Paul was speaking of? Obviously he was privy to the same information that John received, or do you think he was deprived in some way?

 

[Postvieww]

This is definitely a much debated issue. Here's what I've found studying, feel free to comment or point anything out.

So the origin of the word "rapture" comes from the phrase "caught up" used by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4. The word rapture isn't used in Revelations, but I believe the event takes place at the seventh and final trumpet.

There will be a rapture, and it is a separate event from the second coming (separated by 45 days). It's just a matter of differentiating between the various passages that speak about each one.

From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days [42 months] (Daniel 12:11)

There was given to him a mouth arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. (Rev. 13:5)

The seventh trumpet marks the end of this 42 month reign of the beast or anti-christ, at which point the rapture takes place and the bowls are subsequently poured on earth.

The Seventh Trumpet—Christ’s Reign Foreseen

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

“We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.” (Rev. 11)

Following the Daniel 12 passage,

11 From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to 1,335 days!

The 1290 days or 42 months (reign of the beast) end at the seventh trumpet, there is a period 45 days during which the marriage supper of the Lamb / BEMA seat judgement takes place in heaven and the bowls of wrath are poured out on earth. At the end, on the 1,335th day, the second coming takes place when God's enemies are defeated and the kingdom of God is finally set up on earth.

Is it simple enough or did I miss anything?

I am in total agreement with the 7th trumpet being the resurrection.


Many will argue there is no clearly defined resurrection in the passage. Should we consider that proof there is not one at that time? I would say definitely not. Let’s compare Revelation 11:18 with other passages on the topic.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This passage tells us 4 things will happen at the seventh trumpet.


1. Thy wrath is come


2. The dead are judged


3. Rewards are given


4. Those that destroy the earth are destroyed.


The passages below show all of these things will be accomplished at His coming.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

We are plainly told in 1Timothy 4:1 Jesus will take possession of His Kingdom and reign when he comes back to this earth.





Many also argue the 7th trumpet is not the last trump. I would simply say it is the last trumpet mentioned in Revelation. It is the last trumpet in scripture associated with judging the dead and giving rewards. It is the last trumpet in scripture associated with taking the kingdoms and reigning. It is the last trumpet in scripture associated with God’s wrath. All of these things are at His coming, how much evidence do we need? There cannot be a last trump before this last trumpet except by scripture manipulation.


Many would have a last trump resurrection before the tribulation and this last of 7 trumpets sometime during the tribulation and then ask us to believe the trumpet immediately after the tribulation is not the last???????

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Here we have more evidence the kingdom is taken at His coming also the resurrection is at His coming. His coming marks the end. His coming is when He defeats all authority and power and destroys these that destroy the earth.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is His coming, this is the end, this is the last trumpet, this is the gathering of the saints.


There is only one more coming of the Lord.


There is only one last trumpet.


There is only one yet future resurrection of the righteous dead.

 

[Straightshot]

"What trumpet do you think Paul was speaking of? Obviously he was privy to the same information that John received, or do you think he was deprived in some way?"


The last trumpet for the "church" .... not the last 7th judgment trumpet of Revelation's unfolding .... there is no connection between

The Lord's dispensation of grace will end with the trumpet that Paul speaks of which will be for immortalizing the dead in Christ and those living at the time

Then He will bring His unprecedented tribulation upon the earth

His first formal communication to the early "church" was given along with the first trumpet for the "Church"

His voice speaks in tandem with musical trumpet in both cases [1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 1:10]

 

[bobharms]

This is definitely a much debated issue. Here's what I've found studying, feel free to comment or point anything out.

So the origin of the word "rapture" comes from the phrase "caught up" used by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4. The word rapture isn't used in Revelations, but I believe the event takes place at the seventh and final trumpet.

There will be a rapture, and it is a separate event from the second coming (separated by 45 days). It's just a matter of differentiating between the various passages that speak about each one.

From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days [42 months] (Daniel 12:11)

There was given to him a mouth arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. (Rev. 13:5)

The seventh trumpet marks the end of this 42 month reign of the beast or anti-christ, at which point the rapture takes place and the bowls are subsequently poured on earth.

The Seventh Trumpet—Christ’s Reign Foreseen

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

“We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.” (Rev. 11)

Following the Daniel 12 passage,

11 From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to 1,335 days!

The 1290 days or 42 months (reign of the beast) end at the seventh trumpet, there is a period 45 days during which the marriage supper of the Lamb / BEMA seat judgement takes place in heaven and the bowls of wrath are poured out on earth. At the end, on the 1,335th day, the second coming takes place when God's enemies are defeated and the kingdom of God is finally set up on earth.

Is it simple enough or did I miss anything?

You got it

 

[Postvieww]

"What trumpet do you think Paul was speaking of? Obviously he was privy to the same information that John received, or do you think he was deprived in some way?"


The last trumpet for the "church" .... not the last 7th judgment trumpet of Revelation's unfolding .... there is no connection between

The Lord's dispensation of grace will end with the trumpet that Paul speaks of which will be for immortalizing the dead in Christ and those living at the time

Then He will bring His unprecedented tribulation upon the earth

His first formal communication to the early "church" was given along with the first trumpet for the "Church"

His voice speaks in tandem with musical trumpet in both cases [1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 1:10]

Straightshot said:

The last trumpet for the "church" .... not the last 7th judgment trumpet of Revelation's unfolding .... there is no connection between

The phrase “last trumpet for the church" are your words not the words of scripture.


The 7th judgment trumpet as you call it, as I pointed out, is related to the judgment of the dead , rewards to saints, Jesus taking control of the kingdoms of this earth as well as destroying them that destroy the earth, at His coming. So your attempt to only emphasis the judgment and wrath part is just part of the picture.

The Lord's dispensation of grace will end with the trumpet that Paul speaks of which will be for immortalizing the dead in Christ and those living at the time

Then He will bring His unprecedented tribulation upon the earth

I disagree with your timing interpretation here and stated that in detail in my post.

His first formal communication to the early "church" was given along with the first trumpet for the "Church"

What is your scripture for this? You say first trumpet for the church Paul only said at the last trump.


You have the misfortune of explaining how your “first trumpet” can be Paul’s last.


If you refer to John in Rev 1:10 the voice was “the voice AS of a trumpet” the voice said what is recorded in verse 11. Trumpets do not talk.

His voice speaks in tandem with musical trumpet in both cases [1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 1:10]

Revelation 1:10 has no relationship to the other passages. 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4 are the last trump at His coming.


In this post you used the phrase “last trumpet for the church" as well as “the first trumpet for the Church" your position would be less confusing if you would stick with one or the other.

 

[Straightshot]

Not confusion at all

The first, and the last trumpet for the "church"

The Lord will make His true ecclesia immortal at the last trumpet for the "church"

Then the Lord will focus upon Israel's redemption during the coming 70th week decreed for the nation [Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11:25-36]

This one is the last trumpet for Israel only [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... no resurrection is scheduled, but a gathering of a believing surviving remnant of the nation .... all mortals who will enter and populate the millennial kingdom upon the earth as mortals

Then the Lord will gather the surviving mortal Gentiles of the nations and separate them, sheep from goat

There is no attachment of any resurrection for any man to the 7th judgment trumpet given in Revelation

This assumption is invalid and here is why

If all believers are to be resurrected at the end of the tribulation as you say, then there will be no mortal believers left upon the earth to enter and populate the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

But there will be .............

 

[omega52]

Things are left to reasoning within the covers of the entire Bible with this subject that isn't slam dunk for either side. God required us to study this topic with diligence and all carefulness. However, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, a pre-Trib Rapture better suits Jesus' "coming like a thief" since the other speculations would have the Rapture pretty much nailed down to THE DAY. Jacob's (Israel's) Trouble ("not ours" implied by God's Word) and the 144,000 thousand Jews aren't needed if we're still here to evangelize this world. But this is a score to settle with His Jewish people that rejected Him to die. (except for a few percent of Messianic Jews to this day)
How can I Thess. Chap.4 be a "comfort" to us if it only saves us from God's wrath bowls only and not His other wrath loosed on the whole earth as bodies pile up and also evaporated as never before. (satan's wrath is killing Christians every day even now and we all get that)
I Thess 4: 15We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.g 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have diedh (h 4:16 Greek the dead in Christ) will rise from their graves.17Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. 18So ENCOURAGE each other with these words. Again, not much encouragement for a 7th trumpet not-so-thief-in-the-night Rapture. There are many other things that point / favor a pre-trib Rapture.
Jesus' parable of virgins-
If the church is gone in pre trib then we have Islam and Catholicism (those left) as main entities or legs for the final days and Jews will be the foolish virgins who didn't go in to the Groom because they had just OT oil and not NT oil (Jesus' Spirit)
Grant Jeffrey vid:

(many other observations tip the scale in favor of pre-trib rapture. (Also, I think "10" will not be nations but these 10 toes will be the world in 10 regions)

 

[OutOfEgypt]

Investigate amillennialism. Start with the book "Kingdom Come" by Sam Storms.

 

[magicaxeman]

The tribulation or period of tribulation to my mind starts with the rise of the anti-christ, a person and a period in time that we do not know and will not know until its here.
We can like many many generations before us speculate, try to work out who and when by perceived clues in the bible but the simple fact is we have been told we do not and will not know when these things will take place, all we do know is to be prepared and watch for the signs.

Christ's return is the culmination of events, the tribulation precedes his return but I personally don't think there is a pre tribulation rapture, to me its a little too cozy to think that you'll never have to find out whether or not you really have the courage to confess your faith in Christ when facing imminent death if you do so.
So to me it seems a cop out, Christians saying to themselves "I dont have to worry about facing that scenario, I won't be here", yet its a question we all need to put to ourselves, do we have the courage of our convictions? could we lay down our life for Christ just as he laid down his for us?
I have asked myself this question many times, would I have the courage if dragged out of my home and into the street, surrounded by a baying mob, a knife held to my throat ready to start hacking my head off?
I can't answer with 100% certainty but I like to think I would rather suffer that death than deny my saviour.

When Paul talks of Christ's return, he talks about first the dead being caught up and then those left living and the question was asked will there be any left living? well of course there will be, there will be those that have escaped the fate others have suffered by various means such as running, hiding or even those who failed to confess their faith in God yet repented afterwards not to mention those inspired to look further into our faith by the example set by those martyred.


There has been a profusion of films about the rapture over the last few decades, many of them from Christian film producers, I like many have found them interesting in their portrayal of the events and also thought provoking and of course they are all technically horror films as what could be more horrific for many than the end of the world as they know it and the second coming of Christ?
But if just one person has been saved because of watching one of those films then I applaud their release and welcome any future releases.
If you think about it, left Behind was quite phenomenal with the world wide coverage it gave to Christianity and the message it unintentionally or otherwise got out to a vast audience.

 

[Radrook]

Some identify the start of the Great Tribulation with the advent of WWI.

 

[Postvieww]

Some identify the start of the Great Tribulation with the advent of WWI.

Some also believe WW1 could be the first trumpet of Revelation 8:7 and WW2 being the second trumpet of Revelation 8:8-9. There are many parallels that can be shown. While I believe it is a possible interpretation I am not emphatic about it.

 

[Postvieww]

The thief in the night scenario is not for those believers who are watching and waiting for Him!



1 Thessalonians 5:5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

This does not apply to a waiting watching for His return believer.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Believers will not be overtaken as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[Postvieww]

Not confusion at all

The first, and the last trumpet for the "church"

The Lord will make His true ecclesia immortal at the last trumpet for the "church"

Then the Lord will focus upon Israel's redemption during the coming 70th week decreed for the nation [Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11:25-36]

This one is the last trumpet for Israel only [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... no resurrection is scheduled, but a gathering of a believing surviving remnant of the nation .... all mortals who will enter and populate the millennial kingdom upon the earth as mortals

Then the Lord will gather the surviving mortal Gentiles of the nations and separate them, sheep from goat

There is no attachment of any resurrection for any man to the 7th judgment trumpet given in Revelation

This assumption is invalid and here is why

If all believers are to be resurrected at the end of the tribulation as you say, then there will be no mortal believers left upon the earth to enter and populate the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

But there will be .............

Straightshot said:

Not confusion at all

The first, and the last trumpet for the "church"

Still not the terminology found in scripture. That is your words and interpretation.

Straightshot said:

The Lord will make His true ecclesia immortal at the last trumpet for the "church"

No scripture says “the last trumpet for the “church"


There is no scripture that says there will be a (gathering) resurrection before the tribulation.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 plainly says our gathering (resurrection) will be at His coming after the man of sin is revealed.


1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 plainly says there will be a resurrection at His coming.

Straightshot said:

Then the Lord will focus upon Israel's redemption during the coming 70th week decreed for the nation [Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 11:25-36]

This one is the last trumpet for Israel only [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31] .... no resurrection is scheduled, but a gathering of a believing surviving remnant of the nation .... all mortals who will enter and populate the millennial kingdom upon the earth as mortals

Matthew 24:29-31 is our gathering; we are the elect in this context. Because you can’t find the words resurrection in Matt. 24 is of no consequence. There is no return to heaven or pre trib mention in 1 Thessalonians 4, or 1 Corinthians 15.

Straightshot said:

There is no attachment of any resurrection for any man to the 7th judgment trumpet given in Revelation

I disagree, my post explained that in detail.

Straightshot said:

This assumption is invalid and here is why

If all believers are to be resurrected at the end of the tribulation as you say, then there will be no mortal believers left upon the earth to enter and populate the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

But there will be .............

What scripture says that?

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

This does not include everyone one left on earth only those that fight against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

“Those left” will have a choice to come worship the king or not. Nothing in this text says those that choose to come and worship the King were left over believers from the tribulation as you imply.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Here are the believing mortals you can’t figure out where they come from.

 

[Psalm3704]

Well this was what Paul also wrote.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54New King James Version (NKJV)
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”​

~Paul said we will all change, not a few, not some, but all will be change. Where in the bible does it claim sinners and unbelievers also get rapture?

~Paul said we will all become immortal. No one dies anymore.

~Paul said death is eliminated.​

Do we just throw Paul's other messages out the window?

Now if 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 happens at the 7th trumpet, how will anyone die at Armageddon which happens at the 6th vial? Do we just throw John's prophecy out the window?

If 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 happens at the 7th trumpet or at Matthew 24:29-31, how will anyone die during the Gog and Magog war in Revelation 20:8? Why will there be a war on earth is no one can die? Do we just throw John's prophecy out the window?

If 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 happens at the 7th trumpet or at Matthew 24:29-31, do we just throw Isaiah's prophecy out the window?

Isaiah 65:20 New King James Version (NKJV)
“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.​

There will still be death during the millennium when Christ reigns on earth.

Read all of chapter 15 in 1 Corinthians, not just one verse: 1 Corinthians 15:52. The other thing with 1 Corinthians 15:52, there's no mention of people alive being caught up into the air here. This is a resurrection, the last resurrection, not the rapture of the church.

The last enemy God will defeat is death: 1 Corinthians 15:26. Satan will be eliminated before death. Even John confirms it in Revelation 20.















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