I quoted Young calling it a doctrine above.
Still, it doesn't make doctrine of the Church.
LDS being more "liberal" in what they taught, according to what they believed in the past doesn't make doctrine of the Church. Never has.
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I quoted Young calling it a doctrine above.
Still, it doesn't make doctrine of the Church.
LDS being more "liberal" in what they taught, according to what they believed in the past doesn't make doctrine of the Church. Never has.
And I stopped watching that video at the 1 minute mark when the guy says the word "servant" with such utter condescension and scorn, as if I should apologize for considering myself a servant of God. I am a servant. I share not your infinite aspirations.
Is he a prophet or isn't he? Your prophet called it doctrine. If I were a mormon I would have to consider it true. You are basically now denying that he was a prophet. Fair enough.
Fine, continue to stick your head in the sand and falsely judge his context, as well as ignoring the actual doctrine. He's mocking your mocking.... Get familiar with a person before you judge. Further, aren't you supposed to judge the message and not the messenger?
I'm judging the messenger based on the merits of his message. He called it doctrine. He stated that Adam helped create the earth and that he brought Eve with him to Eden. It makes sense since Young admitted at one point to not having read the bible for years.
"How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which is revealed to them, and which God revealed to me -- namely that Adam is our father and God...Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or ever will come upon the earth"
Brigham Young
He said God revealed it to him. Is he lying or what?
Pay attention to the conversation please.... That comment of mine was in reference to the video you are choosing to ignore.
As to Brigham and the Bible..... What you don't know is Brigham had the entire Bible memorized. He grew up on it, and also was in another religion before being mormon. He didn't actually have to read it to know it, he had a photo-graphic memory of the entire thing already in his head.
Nothing like using a little truth to lie right....?
I have my own opinion based on my study and experience, but such is irrelevant.
His views on this issue NEVER were doctrine of the Church. What part of that can you not understand?
Doctrine of the Church only comes from the scriptures or something that's officially sanctioned and said so by the Church.
In fact, the Church at a later date officially condemned the theory.
Further, if you actually knew your Bible, you would know Prophets AND Apostles were not "infallible". They often had their own personal views, and often made mistakes. Yet, you wish to apply a "fantasy" double standard to mormonism.
Young said it was "revealed" to him by God. He called himself a prophet. He deemed it doctrine. End of story.
Man you guys don't quit misrepresenting do you?
Problem that you have is that "inspiration" is not the same as Revelation.
I have lot's of things revealed to me also, but be a man a Prophet or me, that doesn't make it revealed doctrine. Again, there is no actual "revelation" which has become scripture on the matter, and there has been no official pronouncement by the Church that some idea is actually True, and actually doctrine. Scripture and official pronouncement is what makes doctrine, not ONE MAN'S WORD ALONE!!! There is no such thing!
Sorry, but your standard of Prophets is not our standard, nor is it the Biblical standard either.
Why don't you learn what the Bible actually says on the issue, instead of your fantasy views of infallible prophets.
You're mincing words. Brigham took on the title of prophet and declared the Adam-God doctrine to have been revealed to him by God. I am not taking his every view and whim as infallible, as I stated about his belief that the moon was inhabited. You are mischaracterizing my view. The only difference between what is in the D&C and Young's Adam-God doctrine is that a few men decided the former to be scriptural and latter to not be. Simple as that. I didn't read the link you provided above? I quoted from it.
"It's entirely designed to prevent False Prophets and False Prophecy."
^ You are actually calling Brigham Young a false prophet here, and that's what he is, since he declared the doctrine to be divine revelation when it apparently was not. What other definition of false prophet is there?
And Joseph Smith is the church. The entire religion rests on his credibility. The majority of the so called "witnesses" later changed their minds, as if that even matters. Its Smith. If it was Christ then he would have revealed a lot more during his time in the holy land. He would not have let 2000 years go by during which time people worshipped incorrectly. You think your baptisms of the dead will account for all those who lived and died during the supposed apostasy?
Anyway. We will never agree. I've had plenty of reasons to convert to mormonism. None of them could overcome the illogic and errancy of it all. I really could go on and on and on. Mormonism is that vulnerable, has that many glaring weak links.
While my agreement is something you shall never attain, you have earned my respect. You come on here and face the barrage of criticisms. You seek out answers to those questions which myself and others and you no doubt yourself have posed regarding the mormon faith. From my experience many mormons do play the part of "blind sheep." You, however, I must say that you do not.
Also, LDS are far from "blind" sheep. Most of us are LDS because of what we see as the state of religion in the world. We are a people who aren't interested in man-made religion. We are all in a sense what I like to call "mini-Joseph Smiths". We are people seeing the state of religion, calling to God for the actual truth, and he brings us to it.
Remember, Christ himself went and taught the spirits in Prison so they might be judged the same as those in the flesh.