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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 68836040" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p>Well, just to nitpick about the some/all distinction, I mean not all did see it as there was Judas Iscariot who betrayed him. Though I think a better argument would be made that it's not necessary to be so scrutinizing with woodenness of words. Some simply means there would be those there that see this thing come to pass, the exact amount seems inconsequential. Unless one subscribes to a particular inerrantist type of view where the natural fluidity of language can't be permitted--I don't subscribe to that sort of view. I think it misses the forest for the trees.</p><p></p><p>I think there's also a valid point to be talking about the nature of judgment as more than just the Final Judgment. The death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ is a judgment. I might point to St. Paul in Romans ch. 1 where he speaks of God's judgment being revealed from heaven against the general wickedness of the world. In 1 Corinthians 14 the Apostle speaks of glossolalia as a sign for the unbelieving and refers to the prophet Isaiah who speaks of those of foreign tongues; glossolalia as a sign meaning a sign of judgment against those who do not believe.</p><p></p><p>Judgment is a broad concept, there is certainly a Final Judgment but judgment is an already thing as much as it is a yet to come thing; judgment isn't about a balancing scale between our good works and our bad works, but is about what is revealed about the condition of things as they are, and the reality of that is that this present age is corrupt, fallen, and is not going to last; the present order of things ruled as they are by violence, death, and suffering shall cease to be and in this present there exists the tension between the now and not yet. The kingdom is now and not yet. The judgment against this age is now and not yet. Salvation is now and not yet. Etc.</p><p></p><p>-CrytoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 68836040, member: 293637"] Well, just to nitpick about the some/all distinction, I mean not all did see it as there was Judas Iscariot who betrayed him. Though I think a better argument would be made that it's not necessary to be so scrutinizing with woodenness of words. Some simply means there would be those there that see this thing come to pass, the exact amount seems inconsequential. Unless one subscribes to a particular inerrantist type of view where the natural fluidity of language can't be permitted--I don't subscribe to that sort of view. I think it misses the forest for the trees. I think there's also a valid point to be talking about the nature of judgment as more than just the Final Judgment. The death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ is a judgment. I might point to St. Paul in Romans ch. 1 where he speaks of God's judgment being revealed from heaven against the general wickedness of the world. In 1 Corinthians 14 the Apostle speaks of glossolalia as a sign for the unbelieving and refers to the prophet Isaiah who speaks of those of foreign tongues; glossolalia as a sign meaning a sign of judgment against those who do not believe. Judgment is a broad concept, there is certainly a Final Judgment but judgment is an already thing as much as it is a yet to come thing; judgment isn't about a balancing scale between our good works and our bad works, but is about what is revealed about the condition of things as they are, and the reality of that is that this present age is corrupt, fallen, and is not going to last; the present order of things ruled as they are by violence, death, and suffering shall cease to be and in this present there exists the tension between the now and not yet. The kingdom is now and not yet. The judgment against this age is now and not yet. Salvation is now and not yet. Etc. -CrytoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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