Pro-Choice Versus Pro-Life

[Skaloop]

Premature babies less than 2 lbs have survived outside the womb.

At later stages of pregnancy, yes. But not at the point when most abortions happen.

 

[mathetes123]

At later stages of pregnancy, yes. But not at the point when most abortions happen.

At how many weeks would you make abortion illegal?

 

[Skaloop]

At how many weeks would you make abortion illegal?

I wouldn't.

 

[mathetes123]

I wouldn't.

So you would allow for the killing of an unborn baby up to a second before birth?

 

[IanCG]

So you would allow for the killing of an unborn baby up to a second before birth?

At that point there isn't any point, unless it's medically necessary for some reason.

 

[Skaloop]

So you would allow for the killing of an unborn baby up to a second before birth?

If it had to be done, yes. Otherwise, it could just be removed without causing it to die.

 

[mandelduke]

The question is should there be laws to protect mothers to be and the unborn, I think there should be. And as long as there are no laws being broken, it should be the mother to be that makes the decision.

 

[TomZzyzx]

The question is should there be laws to protect mothers to be and the unborn, I think there should be. And as long as there are no laws being broken, it should be the mother to be that makes the decision.

So if there was a law that protects the unborn from being aborted, the only decision the mother could legally make would be to not have an abortion. And you would be ok with this, right?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

...without God you FACTUALLY have zero basis for morality, when something immoral happens you can't be mad because according to YOUR worldview it means nothing, obviously that's why "atheism" is fairy tales. insulting me doesn't change the fact that under "atheistic" fairy tales rape is no different than burping at the dinner table.

This statement is mind numbingly wrong.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

This statement is mind numbingly wrong.

Explain. how is rape wrong under "atheism"?

 

[Skaloop]

Explain. how is rape wrong under "atheism"?

Because it causes harm. How is rape wrong under "christianity"?

 

[JustMeSee]

Explain. how is rape wrong under "atheism"?

Scare quotes aside, it is a violent violation of another human being. Deliberately harming other human beings is immoral in several ethical systems.

 

[mathetes123]

Scare quotes aside, it is a violent violation of another human being. Deliberately harming other human beings is immoral in several ethical systems.

Outside of an absolute transcendent moral standard, morality is reduced to no more than opinion or personal preference.

 

[Skavau]

Outside of an absolute transcendent moral standard, morality is reduced to no more than opinion or personal preference.

Why does a "transcendent moral standard" mean anything more than a nebulous actualisation of an opinion? What does it even mean?

 

[IanCG]

Outside of an absolute transcendent moral standard, morality is reduced to no more than opinion or personal preference.

If that absolute transcendent moral standard is god, than morality is reduced to no more than doing what he tells you to do.

 

[JustMeSee]

Because it causes harm. How is rape wrong under "christianity"?

You missed this question. It is a good one.

 

[JustMeSee]

Outside of an absolute transcendent moral standard, morality is reduced to no more than opinion or personal preference.

Apposed to following the rules set forth by an authority?
I wouldn't even consider that to be morality.

 

[TomZzyzx]

Scare quotes aside, it is a violent violation of another human being. Deliberately harming other human beings is immoral in several ethical systems.

So you believe moral truths are objective. What is morally wrong for one person is equally wrong for everyone.

 

[TomZzyzx]

If that absolute transcendent moral standard is god, than morality is reduced to no more than doing what he tells you to do.

Not what he tells us what to do, but by obeying the moral truths He has established since the beginning of creation. It's sometimes called "playing by the rules". Even though it's hard for some people to do.

 

[Golden Yak]

Explain. how is rape wrong under "atheism"?

Because it causes harm. How is rape wrong under "christianity"?

I'd like to see this addressed. What are the reasons God has for saying 'rape is wrong,' and why can we not use the same reasons to say rape is wrong even if God does not exist?

Even if we have to tweak it slightly from "I, God, do not like this" to "We, humanity, do not like this."