President Obama Signs Bill Eliminating 'Oriental' From Federal Law

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President Barack Obama has signed a bill eliminating all known uses of the term "oriental" from federal law.

The bill, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Grace Meng (D-NY), was passed by the House of Representatives unanimously on Feb. 29 and again by the Senate on May 9. It was co-sponsored by 76 members of Congress, including all 51 members of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

Sen. Mazie K. Hirono (D-HI), who sponsored the bill in the Senate, said in a statement that she was "proud to have seen this effort through."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...bill-eliminating-oriental-federal-law-n577811

Since the term is offensive, should we boycott all restaurants with the name "Oriental" in it? And maybe just stick to Persian rugs?
 
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...bill-eliminating-oriental-federal-law-n577811

Since the term is offensive, should we boycott all restaurants with the name "Oriental" in it? And maybe just stick to Persian rugs?

I was going to ask about that ("oriental" rugs)

Isn't there a movie called "Orient Express"?

He really wants to go down that rabbit hole, eh?

No. Those are actually correct usages of the word.

From Dictionary.com:


Usage note

Asian is the most commonly used term referring to people in or from Asia, especially East Asia. In American English, Oriental as a noun or adjective applied to people is outdated and has become a sensitive term to be avoided. It is associated with a bygone era in which Asians had subordinate status and their culture was perceived as strange and exotic. Also, the origin of the term Oriental represents a Eurocentric view of geography, since the Orient, or East, is east of Europe.

However, Oriental is a neutral, inoffensive term when used as an adjective describing Asian culture or things from Asia. Similarly, the term Asiatic is usually offensive when referring to people, but neutral when referring to Asian culture, animals, etc. Though Asian is an acceptable ethnic designation in most contexts, it is best to be as specific as possible, rather than to group all Asians into a single cultural identity. In general, people of South, Southeast, and East Asian origin prefer to be identified by their country of origin: for example, Indian, Pakistani, Indonesian, Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. The people of the Middle or Near East and Polynesia are not referred to as Asian.
 
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I don't believe that historically it has ever been considered derogatory or was ever meant to be

We can (imperfectly) compare it to the word "Yankee". Depending on the context it can be a slur. If you were in another country and people there kept pointedly calling you Yankee, it might make you uncomfortable. You might be correct in deriving that the word was meant to mark you as unwelcome, disrespected, or the butt of some unspoken joke.

It's an imperfect comparison though, because Americans may refer to themselves as Yankees and feel no insult if they hear the term used in friendly circles inside the U.S. People from Asian countries, however, don't refer to themselves as Oriental.

Add to that the unwelcoming and disrespectful atmosphere that was present in the U.S. toward Asian immigrants when the term was in popular usage and you can understand why its better to just discontinue using it in government documents. Its a small step that can ease some bad feelings. Going back to the Yankee analogy, imagine being called Yankee for a long time in another country and then realizing that people had stopped and were now referring to you by name. It would be a small thing, but it would feel much better, wouldn't it. It would mean something significant had changed.
 
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...Maybe I should start pondering on things that might offend me that 'other' people say.

Or we could ponder whether there are things we say that might be needlessly or carelessly offending others. Perhaps we could cheerfully make changes without others having to repeatedly express offense.

Just sayin'. :)
 
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Or we could ponder whether there are things we say that might be needlessly or carelessly offending others. Perhaps we could cheerfully make changes without others having to repeatedly express offense.

Just sayin'. :)

These days just about anything one says will offend somebody.
 
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Or we could ponder whether there are things we say that might be needlessly or carelessly offending others. Perhaps we could cheerfully make changes without others having to repeatedly express offense.

Just sayin'. :)

It was an Asian who penned this bill.
 
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Just to be clear, this only applies to use of the word in federal documents. No one had actually banned any words from the English language.

You are still free to be a culturally unaware, insensitive jerk that uses outdated terms, all you like.
 
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Just to be clear, this only applies to use of the word in federal documents. No one had actually nabbed any words from the English language.

You are still free to be a culturally unaware, insensitive jerk that uses outdated terms, all you like.

Including those who sell certain rugs and own certain restaurants. But I wonder, if someone is on the phone in public discussing where to have lunch, should they lower their voice when saying the Oriental Garden?
 
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For the same reason that "negro" and "colored" are considered insensitive and offensive in regard to people. The term "coloured" is perfectly acceptable in South Africa which refers to persons of mixed European and African heritage, in North America "colored" and "negro" aren't acceptable because they point back to an uglier time in our history. Where these terms were used by people in power as terms of oppression.

As an overweight person I don't particularly like being called "fatty", you're absolutely free to call me "fatty" if that's what you want--but don't pretend to be shocked when doing so isn't considered acceptable by me or anyone else.

I have every right to call your mother anything I darn well please, and use every profanity I can think of. But I'd be a real idiot not to think it might offend you, her, and many other people.

If you want to complain that you don't get to be a jerk* to people without reprimand, well then at least be honest enough to admit that what you want is to be a complete and total jerk*.

*and by jerk I mean a seven letter word.

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