Pope: to deny Israel's right to exist is anti-Semitism

[Open Heart]

http://www.thetower.org/2096-pope-francis-not-recognizing-israels-right-to-exist-is-anti-semitic/
Pope Francis called the refusal to recognize the State of Israel anti-Semitic, The Times of Israel reported today. The Pope also clarified that, contrary to media reports, he had not called Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas “an angel of peace.”

 

[Vylo]

Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist. Palestine was promised by britain its sovereignty and many if not most Israelis had nothing to do with the initial settlement.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Didn't the pope recognize the Palestinians recently as well?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Sounds like the pope is using the loaded statement approach...sounds like he's been studying US political tactics

It's no different than people who imply that you're racist if you don't agree with them on the outcome of a police brutality case.

 

[HannahT]

Sounds like the pope is using the loaded statement approach...sounds like he's been studying US political tactics

It's no different than people who imply that you're racist if you don't agree with them on the outcome of a police brutality case.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

How does that work out for Arab States? They are Semites as well. Wouldn’t Saudi Arabia recognizing the State of Israel also be anti-Semitism?

 

[Open Heart]

Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist. Palestine was promised by britain its sovereignty and many if not most Israelis had nothing to do with the initial settlement.

Yes, Britain guaranteed Israel the right to exist in the Balfour declaration, as did the UN declaration. But remember too that 1. Israelis bought most of their land from Palestinians and 2. That Israel fought for its right to exist in its War of Independence as well as subsequent wars of self defense.

 

[Vylo]

Yes, Britain guaranteed Israel the right to exist in the Balfour declaration, as did the UN declaration. But remember too that 1. Israelis bought most of their land from Palestinians and 2. That Israel fought for its right to exist in its War of Independence as well as subsequent wars of self defense.

That declaration was a betrayal to the Palestinians. You shouldn't promise the land to one people and then another like that.

The saddest thing is why Britain, the US and so many others supported Israel's creation: They didn't want the Jewish people coming to their countries.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

That declaration was a betrayal to the Palestinians. You shouldn't promise the land to one people and then another like that.

The saddest thing is why Britain, the US and so many others supported Israel's creation: They didn't want the Jewish people coming to their countries.

I have had that theory myself. What strengthens the theory is the infamous and illfated journey of the MS St. Louis. Cuba rejected them, the U.S. tried to persuade Cuba, but didn't bother to take the jewish payload themselves thanks to immigration policies they didn't bother to waiver or overlook. Canada said no as well thanks to jew hate. I don't think anybody saw those 937 refugees every again when they returned to Europe.

 

[Open Heart]

That declaration was a betrayal to the Palestinians.

How? The Palestinians were going to get their own state as well.

 

[Vylo]

How? The Palestinians were going to get their own state as well.

Because it was going to be their state entirely until boatloads of Jewish people showed up, many illegally.

Not that I really blame them given their previous environments, but it is reasonably for the people who were told they would have their own country not to suddenly be told "LOL, just kidding you gotta split it with these folks" to be a bit disgruntled, to say the least.

 

[Open Heart]

Because it was going to be their state entirely until boatloads of Jewish people showed up, many illegally.

You have your history incorrect. The Jews that lived in Israel by the time of the Balfour declaration weren't there illegally, and most had purchased land quite legally from the Arabs that lived there. Oh, and there were no such thing as Palestinians yet.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

You have your history incorrect. The Jews that lived in Israel by the time of the Balfour declaration weren't there illegally, and most had purchased land quite legally from the Arabs that lived there. Oh, and there were no such thing as Palestinians yet.

Maybe the anger is over the promise to the Arabs they would have their own government, but they granted that to a minority to the area, maybe. I don't know the numbers of jews to arabs at the time. I could be wrong, just an idea.

 

[Open Heart]

Maybe the anger is over the promise to the Arabs they would have their own government, but they granted that to a minority to the area, maybe. I don't know the numbers of jews to arabs at the time. I could be wrong, just an idea.

Hey the whole Balfour declaration was reneged on. The Jews didn't get our land either. Even when the UN declared it a state, we still had to fight for independence.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Hey the whole Balfour declaration was reneged on. The Jews didn't get our land either. Even when the UN declared it a state, we still had to fight for independence.

From the British?

 

[Open Heart]

From the British?

Oh puhleeze, you can't be that ignorant.

Just in case you are, you can read about Israel's war of independence Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Oh puhleeze, you can't be that ignorant.

Well I'm sorry, I don't specialize in Middle Eastern history or politics. I guess your answer is to "look it up yourself." I'll read up on it later and give a more valid opinion then.

 

[Open Heart]

Well I'm sorry, I don't specialize in Middle Eastern history or politics. I guess your answer is to "look it up yourself." I'll read up on it later and give a more valid opinion then.

Sorry, I went back and edited my post, I guess too late. Here is a link to a website on the Iraeli war of Independence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

 

[Vylo]

You have your history incorrect. The Jews that lived in Israel by the time of the Balfour declaration weren't there illegally, and most had purchased land quite legally from the Arabs that lived there. Oh, and there were no such thing as Palestinians yet.

This was after the balfour declaration, and there was Palestinians well before that.

 

[Open Heart]

This was after the balfour declaration, and there was Palestinians well before that.

At the time of the Balfour declaration, they were called Arabs, not Palestinians. And the Jews of that time were living on land they had legitimately bought from Arab landowners (who were largely absentee). This is the second time I've stated this. Hopefully it has been communicated without confusion this time.