Please explain to me how this is moral.

[Skavau]

Sure you can.
Matthew 27:52-53---
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

Of course, as I'm sure you must expect, I don't believe that happened.

Thought your extract says nothing about anyone denying what they saw.

 

[Section10]

No one is laughing at anyone suffering for eternity and if you read my posts you'd see I doubt that anyway.
How long does it take to pull a trigger and if you do and someone is murdered, all you've ever done before is cancelled out and you are a murderer for the rest of your life and looking at either life in prison or the death penalty.
Rape just one little girl and all the good you've done up until then is forgotten and you are a hated pedophile forever. How just is that?
I think in the long run, God is pretty soft.

I came into Christianity as an adult and I've never regretted the richness it has given me. But I was faithless as an adult before then and I have never ceased to regret that.
So I know where you're coming from because I've been there.

 

[fireof god98]

No one is laughing at anyone suffering for eternity and if you read my posts you'd see I doubt that anyway.
How long does it take to pull a trigger and if you do and someone is murdered, all you've ever done before is cancelled out and you are a murderer for the rest of your life and looking at either life in prison or the death penalty.
Rape just one little girl and all the good you've done up until then is forgotten and you are a hated pedophile forever. How just is that?
I think in the long run, God is pretty soft.

I came into Christianity as an adult and I've never regretted the richness it has given me. But I was faithless as an adult before then and I have never ceased to regret that.
So I know where you're coming from because I've been there.

some of us get richness in life from things other than god

 

[fireof god98]

Calvinists do say that, but I'm not a Calvinist.

your faith icon is protestant so i did not know your exact theology

 

[Aldebaran]

Of course, as I'm sure you must expect, I don't believe that happened.

Thought your extract says nothing about anyone denying what they saw.

You say "I don't think you'll find a single instance where someone who actually witnessed an undead walking around." But when someone points out that there is such an instance, you say you don't believe it.

Can you understand the frustration on our part?

 

[fireof god98]

You say "I don't think you'll find a single instance where someone who actually witnessed an undead walking around." But when someone points out that there is such an instance, you say you don't believe it.

Can you understand the frustration on our part?

when i visit the local mental hospital i get told all the time by the patients that there are evil bears in the washroom. just because they have faith that it is true dos not mean that it is.

 

[bhsmte]

You say "I don't think you'll find a single instance where someone who actually witnessed an undead walking around." But when someone points out that there is such an instance, you say you don't believe it.

Can you understand the frustration on our part?

Reread his post, that is not what he said.

 

[Skavau]

No one is laughing at anyone suffering for eternity and if you read my posts you'd see I doubt that anyway.

Sneering and shrugging would perhaps be more apt a description.

How long does it take to pull a trigger and if you do and someone is murdered, all you've ever done before is cancelled out and you are a murderer for the rest of your life and looking at either life in prison or the death penalty.
Rape just one little girl and all the good you've done up until then is forgotten and you are a hated pedophile forever. How just is that?

In a way, it isn't.

I think in the long run, God is pretty soft.

I'm not sure how you conclude that given that you (presumably) think that a single sin, a single infraction condemns an individual to eternal torture with the only reprieve being of course, getting saved.

I came into Christianity as an adult and I've never regretted the richness it has given me. But I was faithless as an adult before then and I have never ceased to regret that.
So I know where you're coming from because I've been there.

I suppose you can add patronising to the list.

Again, not addressing the moral issues with torturing people for how they think.

 

[Skavau]

You say "I don't think you'll find a single instance where someone who actually witnessed an undead walking around." But when someone points out that there is such an instance, you say you don't believe it.

I can point out all kinds of things that happened in fiction, but you know, I was actually after a real life example. You know an actual well-verified and corroborated instance of a dead person walking with witnesses.

Can you understand the frustration on our part?

No, because your frustration is embedded in the presumption that we should just take Bible verses at face value.

Exactly why should we? From our perspective?

Also, I repeat, your extract didn't include an example of someone witnessing an undead and rejecting it.

 

[Section10]

Sneering and shrugging might be appropriate. There is so much pain and heartache and sorrow in this sad world I feel I have about wasted enough of my time with crybabies and my patience with you runs thin.
Patronizing? Not really, just weariness with those who are blind and yet say they see. In your present state, you're just not worth it and Christianity is spread thin enough as it is.

 

[Skavau]

Sneering and shrugging might be appropriate. There is so much pain and heartache and sorrow in this sad world I feel I have about wasted enough of my time with crybabies and my patience with you runs thin.

Oh how blessed your time and your character is that you can be offended so at mere opposition.

But seriously, you think that pointing out that the idea that someone should be tortured for eternity for not believing a certain way is acting like a crybaby?

Patronizing? Not really, just weariness with those who are blind and yet say they see. In your present state, you're just not worth it and Christianity is spread thin enough as it is.

I'm sure you'd call any atheist that didn't convert or come up with softball questions and queries over a certain period of time as blind.

 

[Chany]

Sneering and shrugging might be appropriate. There is so much pain and heartache and sorrow in this sad world I feel I have about wasted enough of my time with crybabies and my patience with you runs thin.
Patronizing? Not really, just weariness with those who are blind and yet say they see. In your present state, you're just not worth it and Christianity is spread thin enough as it is.

And ignoring us is going to help Christianity in the long run because... what? Christianity will lose adherents at a slower rate?

Blind? Really? I honestly think the whole "your side is blind" stick needs to be broken. It doesn't do anything, because I'll just volley it right back at you.

 

[bhsmte]

Sneering and shrugging might be appropriate. There is so much pain and heartache and sorrow in this sad world I feel I have about wasted enough of my time with crybabies and my patience with you runs thin.
Patronizing? Not really, just weariness with those who are blind and yet say they see. In your present state, you're just not worth it and Christianity is spread thin enough as it is.

Who is blind and why?

Is it because, they disagree with you, so they must be blind?

 

[Aldebaran]

And ignoring us is going to help Christianity in the long run because... what? Christianity will lose adherents at a slower rate?

No. Ignoring you will allow us time to focus on people who are asking questions while actually listening to the answers. It does no good for us to waste time answering questions of people who have already made up their mind to not believe anything we say because you've already decided that whatever we say is not credible, and that our sources are not credible.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No. Ignoring you will allow us time to focus on people who are asking questions while actually listening to the answers. It does no good for us to waste time answering questions of people who have already made up their mind to not believe anything we say because you've already decided that whatever we say is not credible, and that our sources are not credible.

I haven't made up my mind so that I wouldn't consider credible evidence. Do you have any?

 

[KWCrazy]

Assuming this goes badly for me, how does the appeal process work? Can I wait in purgatory until my appeal is heard?

Purgatory is a man made concept. Christ never mentioned it. If it were real, the recognized prophets would have spoken of it and Christ would have affirmed it. There is no appeal.

 

[Section10]

I firmly believe that for the majority of atheists, a God that watches and knows and remembers is the ultimate horror. So they find it to be in their best interest that there is no God and then they set about proving it to themselves.

 

[quatona]

I firmly believe that for the majority of atheists, a God that watches and knows and remembers is the ultimate horror. So they find it to be in their best interest that there is no God and then they set about proving it to themselves.

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

 

[Skavau]

I firmly believe that for the majority of atheists, a God that watches and knows and remembers is the ultimate horror.

You can probably add this snugly to your list of things that you believe without evidence.

So they find it to be in their best interest that there is no God and then they set about proving it to themselves.

If God existed, and if he was as you described it would be in my absolute worst interest to disparage God.

The idea that atheists do, would or might go against a God based on self-interest is obvious nonsense on the fact that, you know, being tortured forever is very much against anyone's self-interest.

 

[bhsmte]

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Agree. I sense a bit of projection going on there.