AndrewD88 said:
Before you toddle off to college anywhere, you might want to learn what the word bias really mens.
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Before you toddle off to college anywhere, you might want to learn what the word bias really mens.
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I beg your pardon, I do know what it means, to lean towards something because of a personal opinion of what it is. I was in debate, and the word biased came up very often. Seriously. God bless 
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Why are we talking about the definition of a word, this thread has gone way off topic...
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Well in all honesty, I think my opinion is likely biased. (My prior post may have indicated otherwise and if so, I am recanting that now.) In fact, I think everyone (regardless of position) is biased. So yes, Im likely biased. However, I will say that I am fair and truthful and factual.
I have been there, done that and wore out the tee shirt on it. ( And broke a few rules in the process. lol )
One thing I will say for Andrew is that he is both fortunate and wise. He is fortunate in that he can get information about the "place" before going. I went there not knowing even where it was and having never been there before. I was ignorant. Andrew is wise to seek out the facts.
One bit of advice, Andrew, is to be open-minded enough to realize ALL the issues, ALL the facts. You, my brother, can get anyone to tell you what you want to know or hear. The posts here have not been without truth. It is up to you to seek God to help you filter that properly.
Again, I wish you the best. And to everyone who has posted, thanks. I have found the comments interesting. Im impressed that PCC is known so widely.
Finally, for those who are currently on staff at said college and reading this, I have a quick word: "NANNER NANNER BOOO BOOO, YOU CANT GET ME!"
<Time for appointment with psychotherapist>
I have been there, done that and wore out the tee shirt on it. ( And broke a few rules in the process. lol )
One thing I will say for Andrew is that he is both fortunate and wise. He is fortunate in that he can get information about the "place" before going. I went there not knowing even where it was and having never been there before. I was ignorant. Andrew is wise to seek out the facts.
One bit of advice, Andrew, is to be open-minded enough to realize ALL the issues, ALL the facts. You, my brother, can get anyone to tell you what you want to know or hear. The posts here have not been without truth. It is up to you to seek God to help you filter that properly.
Again, I wish you the best. And to everyone who has posted, thanks. I have found the comments interesting. Im impressed that PCC is known so widely.
Finally, for those who are currently on staff at said college and reading this, I have a quick word: "NANNER NANNER BOOO BOOO, YOU CANT GET ME!"
<Time for appointment with psychotherapist>
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Haha, thankyou for your honesty, openess, and kindness to me as I seek out this calling. I still feel like God is calling me there, I looked into all issues, including but not limited to, accredation, rules, intention of study, religious aspects, and more.
I will keep you posted but I do feel as of now I'm on the right track. God bless!
I will keep you posted but I do feel as of now I'm on the right track. God bless!
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Buddy, if God is calling you there, I wont stand in your way. I would only wish you the best. I only regret I was not able to make an informed decision when I went.
By the way, if you get assigned to Ballard North and you see these gashes in the back of the dorm door that look like stab marks or scars made from throwing stars, I had nothing to do with them. Also, whatever you do (and I am very serious about this one) dont even whisper the word "wolfman" while on campus. Doing such could cause your education there to be shortlived.
Enough said. Im gone.
Anyone have questions, feel free to PM me or whatever that is.
By the way, if you get assigned to Ballard North and you see these gashes in the back of the dorm door that look like stab marks or scars made from throwing stars, I had nothing to do with them. Also, whatever you do (and I am very serious about this one) dont even whisper the word "wolfman" while on campus. Doing such could cause your education there to be shortlived.
Enough said. Im gone.
Anyone have questions, feel free to PM me or whatever that is.
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Sascha Fitzpatrick
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Andrew,
I just wanted to ask, seeing you said 'calling' - what are you planning to enter into with university, and what's your eventual goal?
Just, if you want to get into ministry/evangelical outreach - I would be very CAUTIOUS getting into an environment as sheltered as PCC seems to be.
To me, and this is just my opinion, I'd want to go somewhere where you were in the 'thick of it', so to speak. I wouldn't want to be learning how to be ministering to the world, whilst being so cloistered out of it. How on earth does your belief system and faith get to grow, without being challenged/ridiculed/questioned over it continually? I speak from experience - I went to a very conservative, strong Christian pentecostal school my whole schooling life, and as soon as I came out of it, and was the minority (instead of like everyone else), I really struggled - as I could not take what I'd learnt from my spiritual classes and 'soaking' of Christianity and make it realistic to the outside world. There is a definite divide between secular and Christianity - even to the lingo we use in the church - and you could find it very hard being able to minister to those you actually want to - due to not being able to make it 'real' to them (due to oversoaking, and being continually with those of the same faith and belief structure as you).
This is my main concern (and may not be valid, if your desire isn't for ministry/outreach). Being cloistered away from the world, into an environment of like-mindend souls is not really going to help you bring the Word of the Lord into the masses.
Being in an environment where you are able to cross-culturally (not international, but in normal america - secular/christian) integrate and converse, I believe, would serve you MUCH better in being able to reach those who have yet to know Jesus.
Just a thought... If it were me, I'd want to be taking classes on reaching the lost out on the street, in the red light districts, in the biggest dirtiest slum I could find!
Sasch
I just wanted to ask, seeing you said 'calling' - what are you planning to enter into with university, and what's your eventual goal?
Just, if you want to get into ministry/evangelical outreach - I would be very CAUTIOUS getting into an environment as sheltered as PCC seems to be.
To me, and this is just my opinion, I'd want to go somewhere where you were in the 'thick of it', so to speak. I wouldn't want to be learning how to be ministering to the world, whilst being so cloistered out of it. How on earth does your belief system and faith get to grow, without being challenged/ridiculed/questioned over it continually? I speak from experience - I went to a very conservative, strong Christian pentecostal school my whole schooling life, and as soon as I came out of it, and was the minority (instead of like everyone else), I really struggled - as I could not take what I'd learnt from my spiritual classes and 'soaking' of Christianity and make it realistic to the outside world. There is a definite divide between secular and Christianity - even to the lingo we use in the church - and you could find it very hard being able to minister to those you actually want to - due to not being able to make it 'real' to them (due to oversoaking, and being continually with those of the same faith and belief structure as you).
This is my main concern (and may not be valid, if your desire isn't for ministry/outreach). Being cloistered away from the world, into an environment of like-mindend souls is not really going to help you bring the Word of the Lord into the masses.
Being in an environment where you are able to cross-culturally (not international, but in normal america - secular/christian) integrate and converse, I believe, would serve you MUCH better in being able to reach those who have yet to know Jesus.
Just a thought...
If it were me, I'd want to be taking classes on reaching the lost out on the street, in the red light districts, in the biggest dirtiest slum I could find! Sasch
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Sascha Fitzpatrick
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That's not what I was saying!
What I meant was, if I was going to get into ministry - then I would want a college that was right in the thick of the world to train me how to outreach to others about Jesus Christ.
I have NO issue with Christian schools and universities - none at all (I loved my school). I just think that if you are trying to equip people to go out to the mission field (either locally, as in pastorship, or overseas), I believe that it is not going to do much good to cloister them amongst like-minded souls continually, where you have no actual chance to go out amongst the 'real' world, and interact with those you are actually trying to show Jesus to.
Yes, it's 'safe' - but does it actually give you the chance to be challenged in your faith to strengthen it? As I said - I'd rather be learning how to minister within a yard's distance of hell's gates than in the safe little Christian circle I often see ministry training be relegated to.
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What I meant was, if I was going to get into ministry - then I would want a college that was right in the thick of the world to train me how to outreach to others about Jesus Christ.
I have NO issue with Christian schools and universities - none at all (I loved my school). I just think that if you are trying to equip people to go out to the mission field (either locally, as in pastorship, or overseas), I believe that it is not going to do much good to cloister them amongst like-minded souls continually, where you have no actual chance to go out amongst the 'real' world, and interact with those you are actually trying to show Jesus to.
Yes, it's 'safe' - but does it actually give you the chance to be challenged in your faith to strengthen it? As I said - I'd rather be learning how to minister within a yard's distance of hell's gates than in the safe little Christian circle I often see ministry training be relegated to.
Sasch
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Well, PCC is in a part of Florida where alot of parties and drinking take place surrounding the college. And it's Florida, so anyone deliberatly not focusing on God could really get into trouble. And to come personally closer to God would ease your ability to stay focused on Him in the real world anyway, so it all works out in the end. God bless!
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I think you missed Sascha point....
I went to a small conservative christian school in TN. I also attended University of Alabama.
When at a Christian college, it is assumed that every person that attends and teachers there is a Christian... therefore there is no real outreach going on at the school itself. I don't know about the ouutreach that PCC does in the community that it is involved in, but from the sounds of it, it is very sheltered and students don't have the opportunity to go out into the world and minister to the community.
Sascha's point is, it is hard to minister in the real world, when your training has occured in a sheltered environment.
While there is partying and whatnot in the midst of FL... PCC is a bubble and the students don't appear to be able to go out into the world to experience it. I am a strong advocate that people need to experience the world for themselves before fully understanding why the world needs a savior.
I went to a small conservative christian school in TN. I also attended University of Alabama.
When at a Christian college, it is assumed that every person that attends and teachers there is a Christian... therefore there is no real outreach going on at the school itself. I don't know about the ouutreach that PCC does in the community that it is involved in, but from the sounds of it, it is very sheltered and students don't have the opportunity to go out into the world and minister to the community.
Sascha's point is, it is hard to minister in the real world, when your training has occured in a sheltered environment.
While there is partying and whatnot in the midst of FL... PCC is a bubble and the students don't appear to be able to go out into the world to experience it. I am a strong advocate that people need to experience the world for themselves before fully understanding why the world needs a savior.
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Sascha Fitzpatrick
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Shannon - thanks you got my point in one!
Andrew, it doesn't matter WHERE it's located, the fact is, at school's like PCC (we have them here as well, maybe not as strict, but similar), you DON'T actually mix in those areas - because of the rules (the chaperones when off campus, the permission forms, etc etc).
That's just my concern - that kind of cloistering COULD make it very hard when you DO get out into ministry, and then are faced with all the things that you have been isolated from for the past 3-4 years. Trust me - I know from MANY experiences where kids went away to theological colleges to learn how to preach/outreach, and once they got out of that environment, found that their teaching was just not adequate enough to face a secular world.
That's my only concern - for me, I'd rather go to the Salvation Army War College, where you sleep in a halfway house, and you study amongst the biggest slum in Vancouver!
Sasch
Andrew, it doesn't matter WHERE it's located, the fact is, at school's like PCC (we have them here as well, maybe not as strict, but similar), you DON'T actually mix in those areas - because of the rules (the chaperones when off campus, the permission forms, etc etc).
That's just my concern - that kind of cloistering COULD make it very hard when you DO get out into ministry, and then are faced with all the things that you have been isolated from for the past 3-4 years. Trust me - I know from MANY experiences where kids went away to theological colleges to learn how to preach/outreach, and once they got out of that environment, found that their teaching was just not adequate enough to face a secular world.
That's my only concern - for me, I'd rather go to the Salvation Army War College, where you sleep in a halfway house, and you study amongst the biggest slum in Vancouver!
Sasch
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