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<blockquote data-quote="KCfromNC" data-source="post: 77205754" data-attributes="member: 185615"><p>Starting off with a question which attempts to confuse raw death numbers with population adjusted rates? That doesn't seem like a sign of confidence in using relevant data to make a case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's not forget the original post I responded to was trying to hide this spike by averaging it with a pre-pandemic year. That seems an acknowledgement that spike was meaningful, otherwise why the need to obfuscate it to bolster a predetermined conclusion?</p><p></p><p>But yeah, sure, try and convince people that they should ignore Sweden's 2020 spike in death rate while evaluating their immediate pandemic response. Let's see how credibly people view that approach.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In what way, specifically? I mean, sure, they might have historically had a lower death rate than other countries, but it seems weird to use a pre-pandemic trend death rates to demonstrate their pandemic response was better.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's an article from late summer 2020. Meaning the experts there who thought that Sweden was doing it right in 2020 after a temporary lull in covid infections are strongly disagreeing with your rationalizations now for why Sweden got it right - namely that despite a bad 2020, long term the country came out ahead. They were instead going with the at-the-time popular covid will be 'miraculously' be <em>gone by April</em> 'once the weather warms up' approach (for various values of April). I think we know how that turned out.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, the hard part isn't cherry-picking random stories to prop up a conclusion. The tough part is putting together a consistent story which both explains the data and doesn't contradict itself. This one kinda does both, but oh well, par for the course for science denialism.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, they're so censored you just found an article from a mainstream source containing them.</p><p>It's not that they're censored, it just that there appears to be a need, in this thread at least, for posts to try and hide the real data while making the point that Sweden's approach was better. It's not censorship to point that out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KCfromNC, post: 77205754, member: 185615"] Starting off with a question which attempts to confuse raw death numbers with population adjusted rates? That doesn't seem like a sign of confidence in using relevant data to make a case. Let's not forget the original post I responded to was trying to hide this spike by averaging it with a pre-pandemic year. That seems an acknowledgement that spike was meaningful, otherwise why the need to obfuscate it to bolster a predetermined conclusion? But yeah, sure, try and convince people that they should ignore Sweden's 2020 spike in death rate while evaluating their immediate pandemic response. Let's see how credibly people view that approach. In what way, specifically? I mean, sure, they might have historically had a lower death rate than other countries, but it seems weird to use a pre-pandemic trend death rates to demonstrate their pandemic response was better. It's an article from late summer 2020. Meaning the experts there who thought that Sweden was doing it right in 2020 after a temporary lull in covid infections are strongly disagreeing with your rationalizations now for why Sweden got it right - namely that despite a bad 2020, long term the country came out ahead. They were instead going with the at-the-time popular covid will be 'miraculously' be [I]gone by April[/I] 'once the weather warms up' approach (for various values of April). I think we know how that turned out. Like I said, the hard part isn't cherry-picking random stories to prop up a conclusion. The tough part is putting together a consistent story which both explains the data and doesn't contradict itself. This one kinda does both, but oh well, par for the course for science denialism. Yeah, they're so censored you just found an article from a mainstream source containing them. It's not that they're censored, it just that there appears to be a need, in this thread at least, for posts to try and hide the real data while making the point that Sweden's approach was better. It's not censorship to point that out. [/QUOTE]
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