Obama Says America "Not A Christian Nation"

[missjasmine]

The title says it all.

Obama: U.S. "Not A Christian Nation Or A Jewish Nation Or A Muslim Nation" (VIDEO)


I for one am disgusted.

So, thoughts everyone?

I'm just not sure how we aren't a Christian Nation when we were founded on the Word of God--- not to mention for religious freedoms, and then there is that whole "one nation under God" thing in the Pledge, not to mention "in God we trust" on all our monetary values.....

I mean really, who is this guy kidding?

 

[rambot]

Lovely.

 

[Sketcher]

I actually agree with that statement, though the "we do not consider ourselves" part is a bit of a stretch. Many have the perception that we are a Christian nation, which we are not. This isn't to say that Christian values have no place in our society by any stretch - I believe they should dominate our society. But we don't need to be a "Christian nation" in order to have that. We don't need a state church. We do need to make sure that we retain free exercise as guaranteed in the Constitution.

 

[Kharak]

The title says it all.

Obama: U.S. "Not A Christian Nation Or A Jewish Nation Or A Muslim Nation" (VIDEO)


I for one am disgusted.

So, thoughts everyone?

I'm just not sure how we aren't a Christian Nation when we were founded on the Word of God--- not to mention for religious freedoms, and then there is that whole "one nation under God" thing in the Pledge, not to mention "in God we trust" on all our monetary values.....

I mean really, who is this guy kidding?

Our original motto was 'E plubirus unum', it was changed during the McCarthy era. The original Pledge did not have the, 'under god' either; another McCarthy era relic.

This nation was not founded on the word of God, unless he condoned slavery of course. It was not founded on Judeo-Christian ethic, for the term itself is a prank: Martin Luther of old was an anti-Semite, and how many times did the Christians of old massacre Jews in the Middle Ages? The more that people claim this nation as "Christian", the more I am entitled to laugh that off as an epic prank befitting of the Greek pantheon.

This is a nation of many backgrounds, built on English common law, and owes no allegiance to any religion.

 

[lemmings]

This statement is a little over 211 years old.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The Treaty of Tripoli was passed in 1797, a little over 13 years after we where officially recognized and was passed unanimously in the Senate (it was smaller and less partisan then) as well as then President John Adams.

Our legal system completely ignores the first 5 commandments in the Ten Commandments and Capitalism is based on coveting other people’s property 40% counts as ‘Christian’?

 

[FedererFan]

Good. America is not, has never been, and (hopefully) will never be a Christian nation. It was not founded on Christianity, nor should it be governed by Christianity. One of the great things about America is freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Religion has no place in government. And vice versa.

 

[flicka]

Obama is right

 

[Tenka]

I'm just not sure how we aren't a Christian Nation when we were founded on the Word of God

In what way is the US "founded on the Word of God"?

not to mention for religious freedoms,

That is not a Biblical Christian value.

This nation was not founded on the word of God, unless he condoned slavery of course.

Which it did.

 

[Sibs]

Ish I for one am glad this has come out in the open! I ALWAYS thought USA was a Christian nation.....I wonder if the other presidents knew this? Are you going to change the inspription on the money from "in God we trust" I wonder...it would make sense surely if you are agreed that in God you do not trust....this will be interesting!

 

[kiwimac]

The US was not founded as a Christian nation. The Treaty of Tripoli makes it very clear and given that that treaty was signed by folk involved in the foundation of the US as a separate nation, they would have known.

 

[Voegelin]

He's playing to the billionaires and mega-millionaires who paid for his ticket. And he's playing to his radical base.

He's going nowhere fast with this stuff.

 

[Voegelin]

The US was not founded as a Christian nation. The Treaty of Tripoli makes it very clear and given that that treaty was signed by folk involved in the foundation of the US as a separate nation, they would have known.

No it doesn't. Referencing that to make the case is one of the most common leftist distortion of history however. As if one treaty with Muslims (out of several) means anything.

What was being conveyed to Muslims was, unlike many European countries, the USA did not have a official national church.

But it did have established state churches. The entire point of the first amendment was to protect those Christian churches.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

America is not a 'Christian Nation', nor was it founded upon the 'Word of God', but upon the Constitution which promises you a Republic (not a Christian nation) governed by the consent of We the People.

 

[MichaelFJF]

The way we're headed, he may be right, unfortunately.

 

[morningstar2651]

The title says it all.

Obama: U.S. "Not A Christian Nation Or A Jewish Nation Or A Muslim Nation" (VIDEO)


I for one am disgusted.

So, thoughts everyone?

I'm just not sure how we aren't a Christian Nation when we were founded on the Word of God--- not to mention for religious freedoms, and then there is that whole "one nation under God" thing in the Pledge, not to mention "in God we trust" on all our monetary values.....

I mean really, who is this guy kidding?

"One nation under god" and "In god we trust" are not in the original motto or pledge.

U.S. national mottos: History and constitutionality

 

[morningstar2651]

Read Article 11 - this was written in the 1790's.

 

[Allahuakbar]

Anyone who believes that the US is a legally Christian nation, misunderstands the government to an extent that they likely should not be voting.

 

[Allahuakbar]

He's playing to the billionaires and mega-millionaires who paid for his ticket. And he's playing to his radical base.

He's going nowhere fast with this stuff.

Non sequitur.

 

[DaisyDay]

No it doesn't. Referencing that to make the case is one of the most common leftist distortion of history however. As if one treaty with Muslims (out of several) means anything.

It means what it says. It is one of the few references by a founding father that directly addresses the issue of a "Christian nation".

What was being conveyed to Muslims was, unlike many European countries, the USA did not have a official national church.

Then why doesn't it say that?

But it did have established state churches. The entire point of the first amendment was to protect those Christian churches.

But that is not what it says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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[Grizzly]

America is not a Christian Nation, it is a nation filled with Christians, however.