How does a YEC explain Neandrathals? There is TONS of evidence - even bones and skulls proving their existence.
Either "Neanderthal" or "Neandertal", with the latter being more common these days.Melethiel said:(nitpick) It's spelled "Neanderthal."
AnomalousSilence said:What would lead you to believe that?
Or, as my mom brought up, since they are ape and human like, perhaps they were more of an animal?
AnomalousSilence said:How does a YEC explain Neandrathals? There is TONS of evidence - even bones and skulls proving their existence.
AnomalousSilence said:How does a YEC explain Neandrathals? There is TONS of evidence - even bones and skulls proving their existence.
DamonWV said:How many neanderthal models do we have total ? i know a few of the past were disproved, like one was a complete model made of some ape man that they specualted from just a tooth found, turned out that the tooth was a pig tooth.
I am always cautious with these fossils they find. I reject any model that is made where someone starts their presumptions of some ape man half man half ape , from say 1 tiny bone found.
Im not denying , nor saying there are no complete remains that have been found. I know there are complete sets, but my question is . how many complete Neanderthals have they found ?
Reason why I say this is if they have only found a few, or even if it was 100 .. Couldnt it be possible that the 100 complete fossils out of how many billions of other fossils , could have been people who were " freaks of nature " ?
The whole freaks of nature was one of my thoughts. I mean we see people with many bone disorders today and its a normal thing to view, but if we seen fossils from the past that had the same thing, i was thinking that we could have made a mistake in distinguishing what the find really was. I see your point of view about picking the jelly beans. My point is more along the lines of us just mis interpreting some genetic flaw that made a person look different that what we consider normal.gluadys said:This is a good example of how rumour distorts a story. A fossil tooth was found, and it was suggested that it might be a human tooth (not a neandertal tooth). It was sent to a university for study. Meanwhile a journalist (not a scientist) wrote a sensationalized story about "Nebraska man" and had an artist friend draw up an illustration for it.
Several months later, at the university, where scientists, not journalists, studied the tooth, it was identified as a peccary tooth. A peccary is a sort of pig.
No complete model was ever made, only the artist's drawing made for the newspaper's sensational story.
Did you know that it was a creationist who perfected the art of reconstructing a complete skeleton from a single bone? His name was Baron Georges Cuvier. You might like to look him up. He should be one of your heroes.
This is a pretty complete account of all Neanderthal fossils found.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html#neandertals
That is a possibility with a single find, but the chances of 100 or more all being "freaks" while no normal specimens are found is astronomically small. Because normal people are much more common than abnormal people many more normal people will be fossilized than abnormal people. So it is most likely that any fossil speciman found will be normal for the species.
Think of it this way: suppose you have a jar filled with a thousand orange jelly beans and scattered among them are 10 black jellybeans. If you are blindfolded and draw out a jelly bean ten times, what are the odds that every time you will draw one of the black ones? Small as those odds are, the probability of all Neandertal fossils being freaks of nature is much smaller still.
DamonWV said:The whole freaks of nature was one of my thoughts. I mean we see people with many bone disorders today and its a normal thing to view, but if we seen fossils from the past that had the same thing, i was thinking that we could have made a mistake in distinguishing what the find really was. I see your point of view about picking the jelly beans. My point is more along the lines of us just mis interpreting some genetic flaw that made a person look different that what we consider normal.
If we had evolved from neanderthals I would expect to see hundreds of thousands of complete fossils of neanderthals and then transitional fossils that slowly developed over time to what we view today as normal human.