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[thereselittleflower]

That has nothing to do with it. Israel is a sympathy topic terrorists often refer to for Palestinian sympathies.

People aren't fighting the US over Israel, they are fighting us because they want the Arab world to be united under a religious government.

They need to push the west out of the middle-east completely- trade and all.

No, that's what propagandists want us to believe.

Before we backed Zionism and then Israel, we had no enemies in the middle east . . .

Look, I've been digging deep into the history of situation for the last 150 years . . . I no longer buy that propaganda.

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[Servus Iesu]

If Ron Paul was president in the 1980s, there would still be a Soviet Union.

Maybe, maybe not. However, certainly you are aware that socialism is an untenable socio-political arrangement? The Soviet Union had been in decline since the 60s, it would have collapsed one way or another. Nothing worked in Russia.

Side note: Ron Paul was on the Ronald Reagan bandwagon in 1976, four years before everyone else came along for the ride.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Rubbish.

Here's a good refutation of your premise from a Catholic site.
An excerpt:

But it's so much easier to conclude that Islam was a peaceful faith until the founding of Israel turned it insane, and that the only people and groups that Muslims hate are Amerikkkans and Zionazis.

And so because its a Catholic site it automatically means its giving us an true appraisal of the situation?

Your source leaves out an incredible amount of information. I am sorry, but there is nothing convincing in that quote given all I know, from source documents, not just others' reporting of it, of the situation that has developed because of US support for Israel.

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[thereselittleflower]

If Ron Paul was president in the 1980s, there would still be a Soviet Union.

I think you give the US president way too much credit and God not enough.


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[thereselittleflower]

Sucks to not have motivation.. but that's not my problem, that's theirs.

Iran and terrorists are my problem.

So, do you believe that there should be a nuclear first strike against Iran?

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[stray bullet]

stupid forum software

 

[Woodsy]

And so because its a Catholic site it automatically means its giving us an true appraisal of the situation?

I've never said that about any source except the Bible and the Catechism.

 

[Woodsy]

There are valid criticisms of Israel, just as having valid criticisms of the U.S. does not necessarily negate one's patriotism.
I, too, have investigated Israel's past and present and I have found ugliness amongst the beauty. If I were to throw Israel to the wolves because of ugliness in its past or its present, I would also have to renounce my American citizenship for our practice of slavery, lynchings, the Tuskegee Study, Interment of Japanese Americans, the U.S.'s refusal of safe harbor to Jews who had escaped the Nazis so that the Jews had to return and be killed by the Nazis they had escaped, Abu Ghraib, etc. etc. etc.
I think that, over all, the U.S. of A. is a good nation and a special nation in the history of the world, despite its many sins. And I feel the same way about Israel despite its sins.

 

[rrguy]

Ron Paul said recently that trade is what brings about peace, not war. He cited our free trade with Vietnam as an example of how trade and peace and help pacify former hostile states.

What the guy fails to realize is that we are trading with a capitalist Vietnam because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A fall caused by bankrupting the Soviet state by intervening in Afghanistan and providing arms to the resistance fighters.

If the US took Ron Paul's policies into action, the Soviet Union would still be around. Iran would have taken over Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the early 1980s.

The guy is an unrealistic nutcase. He represents what is based in so called libertarians that support isolationism.

That is not what I heard him say. He was comparing the fear of leaving Iraq vs Vietnam. He referenced Vietnam on how it was a war we did not win, we pulled out. Yet today we are trading with them peacefully.

Intervening in Afghanistan during the cold war slapped Russia in the face on how the so called superpower could not defeat Afghanistan, it was a choice of supporting an enemy to get at an enemy? Yet I would not say it paid off for us in the long run? It is just another example of how we end up getting shot at by our own weapons a few years down the road? There is more data showing the fall of the Soviet Union had more to do with it communist ways spending 90% of its dollars on military & not caring for its people. When people are not allowed to worship God, & are forced to stand in a long line to use a weeks wage to buy rationed bread that society was going to fall. You are also leaving out how much it cost in $$$$ the stuff we gave to Russia to befriend them.

RP also stated we cannot continue to borrow money from countries like China to bomb bridges in iraq while bridges here in the U.S. are bridges are falling apart. Then use tax payers money to just pay the trillion $$ interest. Everyone knows what happens if we try to do that with our own finances? So who is being realistic? He is not afraid to defend our country, He is however willing to admit wars do not always accomplish what is desired.

 

[rrguy]

I think you give the US president way too much credit and God not enough.


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[zhilan]

This is the most ignorant post I have ever heard. Where have you been getting your news? From Michael Moore's web site? This is insane. The reason why Al Qaeda hates the USA is because of our freedom, especially our religious freedom.

Al Qaeda and all of radical Islam want to impose Sharia law on the entire world including the USA. They will use all methods to get there way. It doesn't matter how they accomplish this and they like people like you that have your head buried so far in the sand no one would be able to dig it out.

You liberals are so open minded your brains have fallen out.

Did you just called TLF "you liberals"???

I think that's the funniest thing I've heard all week.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I've never said that about any source except the Bible and the Catechism.

Excuse me? Of course you did!

Here are your words verbatim!

Here's a good refutation of your premise from a Catholic site.An excerpt:

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[thereselittleflower]

Did you just called TLF "you liberals"???

I think that's the funniest thing I've heard all week.

It is pretty funny, isn't it! I am glad I didn't have anything in my mouth when I read that or it would have ended up all over my screen!

I guess if one doesn't cater to the fear and warmongering of the far right, one is a "liberal"!

And don't forget, my brains have fallen out too! RFLOL!



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[Franze]

I am completely agree with Ron Paul, we need another US who has to be what it preaches, not what are it is doing.

 

[Woodsy]

Excuse me? Of course you did!

Here are your words verbatim!

Here's a good refutation of your premise from a Catholic site.An excerpt:

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Now you're just being silly. Pointing out that the article is from a Catholic site is faaaaaaaaaaaaar from saying that it is automatically correct. I just thought that you would respect a Catholic source more than, say, a Jewish one. Or at least you'd be more likely to consider the viewpoint of someone who has a theological point of view similar to ours rather than some goof at the NYT or someplace like that.