Muslims who know Arabic

[GeorgeTwo]

Please translate the following Arabic.

Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban faarsalna ilayha roohana fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan

I don't want you to interpret it or insert any words not found in the Arabic text.

Thanks.

 

[ProScribe]

Find yourself a certified Arabic teacher and he will help you.

 

[awitch]

From Sacred-Texts.com

A verse from Sura XIX

She placed a screen
(To screen herself) from them;
Then We sent to her
Our angel, and he appeared
Before her as a man
In all respects.


Skimming through, it sounds like this is the scene where an angel shows Mary the little plus sign on her holy pregnancy test.

 

[Truth light]

Find yourself a certified Arabic teacher and he will help you.

Good idea

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Find yourself a certified Arabic teacher and he will help you.

There are Muslims who know the Arabic language; in fact it is their first or native language. This forum has one that I know of and his nic is Elwill. Perhaps he will show up.

 

[GeorgeTwo]

Good idea

If you are a Muslim and you don't know the Arabic language, then how do you know which translation is correct?

 

[Truth light]

There are Muslims who know the Arabic language; in fact it is their first or native language. This forum has one that I know of and his nic is Elwill. Perhaps he will show up.

what about sendind PM to him

 

[Truth light]

If you are a Muslim and you don't know the Arabic language, then how do you know which translation is correct?

Don't worry about me

 

[SithDoughnut]

If you are a Muslim and you don't know the Arabic language, then how do you know which translation is correct?

Out of curiosity, why do you believe that it is necessary to know? Christians seem to get along fine with several different translations of the Bible.

 

[Rationalt]

Out of curiosity, why do you believe that it is necessary to know? Christians seem to get along fine with several different translations of the Bible.

Actually the arabic muslim scholars/priests/mullahs say so.

As to the christians I suspect that they are merely content to know that Jesus is their saviour and that is more than adequate.

I dont see many christians sit(h) scared about hell or worry about finer points of various sayings of Jesus.My opinion for sure.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Actually the arabic muslim scholars/priests/mullahs say so.

As to the christians I suspect that they are merely content to know that Jesus is their saviour and that is more than adequate.

I dont see many christians sit(h) scared about hell or worry about finer points of various sayings of Jesus.My opinion for sure.

Cool beans.

 

[alhamdullilah]

Please translate the following Arabic.

Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban

She placed a screen before them

faarsalna ilayha roohana

Then We sent to her Our Ruh. -> in this context it means Jibriel (Gabriel)

fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan

and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

I don't want you to interpret it or insert any words not found in the Arabic text.

Thanks.

This is from Suraah 19 Maryam (mary). I don't remember the verse number. But it's the second page of that chapter almost in the middle.

 

[GeorgeTwo]

She placed a screen before them



Then We sent to her Our Ruh. -> in this context it means Jibriel (Gabriel)



and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.



This is from Suraah 19 Maryam (mary). I don't remember the verse number. But it's the second page of that chapter almost in the middle.

Doesn't Ruh mean breath or wind?

What about this verse?

058.022
YUSUFALI: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.

PICKTHAL: Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for such, He hath written faith upon their hearts and hath strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah's party. Lo! is it not Allah's party who are the successful?

Is a "Spirit from Him" the angel Gabriel?

Thanks.

 

[alhamdullilah]

Doesn't Ruh mean breath or wind?

It depends on the context. In the arabic we have certain words that meaning can be understood when reading it in the context. Most words in the arabic have more then 3 or 4 meanings.

What about this verse?

058.022
YUSUFALI: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.

PICKTHAL: Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for such, He hath written faith upon their hearts and hath strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah's party. Lo! is it not Allah's party who are the successful?

Is a "Spirit from Him" the angel Gabriel?

Thanks.

This is a better translation:

and strengthened them with Ruh from Himself.

Ruh in this context means according all of the scholars and quran exegesis specialist and ahadith and sahabah (means companions of the prophet):

"He gave them strengths."
Meaning God Almighty gave them strenght. According to the great scholar Ibn Kathir it means: "He has placed faith in their hearts.'' When looking at the context, it means the same.

 

[elwill]

Doesn't Ruh mean breath or wind?

What about this verse?

058.022
YUSUFALI: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.

PICKTHAL: Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for such, He hath written faith upon their hearts and hath strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah's party. Lo! is it not Allah's party who are the successful?

Is a "Spirit from Him" the angel Gabriel?

Thanks.

the litereal meaning of Roah is spirit
it's islamic understanding that jebril was that spirit which appeared to her ,that's all

and Roah dosn't mean wind
it's Reeh which means wind

 

[GeorgeTwo]

the litereal meaning of Roah is spirit
it's islamic understanding that jebril was that spirit which appeared to her ,that's all

and Roah dosn't mean wind
it's Reeh which means wind

Are there any verses in the Qur'an which speak of Allah's spirit which do not refer to the angel Gabriel?

 

[elwill]

Are there any verses in the Qur'an which speak of Allah's spirit which do not refer to the angel Gabriel?

their is no direct information which say that spirit refer to jebril , still it acceptable interpretation

anyway , spirit of God was mentioned many times

it was mentioned in his creation to adam (pbuh)
15-29
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

Adam (pbuh) was given a life after God breathed into him (of or from or by ) his spirit
the same was jesus (pbuh) when he was created by God

4-171 O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh ) from Him ; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

66-12 And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

that's why God said about jesus in another verse
3-59 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.


what is this spirit ? , what is it's nature ?
no one knows really , as for God said again in quran

17-85 And they ask you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سل&#1605 concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little."


Why some scholars believe that spirit always refer to Jibril (pbuh) ?
it's because the verses like this

And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. Thou knewest not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith. But We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our bondmen. And lo! thou verily dost guide unto a right path,

the probability that spirit and jibril are different is valid , and the probability they are the same is valid either

in another verses God said
70-4 The angels and the Ruh [Jibril (Gabriel)] ascend to Him in a Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

notice , the translator here interpret the spirit to be refer to the angel jibril , but in the fact it's not mentioned directly , may be he is wrong , may be he is right


78-38 The Day that Ar-Ruh and the angels will stand forth in rows, they will not speak except him whom the Most Gracious (Allah) allows, and he will speak what is right.

97-4 Therein descend the angels and the Ruh by Allah's Permission with all Decrees


for me i think that may be this spirit is something different or another nature than that of angels , but again may be i'm wrong



this is my entire view about this subject

 

[GeorgeTwo]

the litereal meaning of Roah is spirit
it's islamic understanding that jebril was that spirit which appeared to her ,that's all

and Roah dosn't mean wind
it's Reeh which means wind

I understand that Gabriel does come in the form of a man.

I am trying to reconcile the Qur'an with the Bible.

Luke 1:

26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

The Holy Spirit here is not an angel, but God; Gabriel announces that Mary will conceive by the Power of God.

 

[elwill]

I understand that Gabriel does come in the form of a man.

I am trying to reconcile the Qur'an with the Bible.

Luke 1:

26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

The Holy Spirit here is not an angel, but God; Gabriel announces that Mary will conceive by the Power of God.

i can agree with you that holy spirit may be not refer to jibril

so we can agree that holy spirit isn't jibril but we differ about holy spirit being a God himself and we will differ in the concept of trinity when i asking you why the spirit of God seems to be another idintity than "the most high"

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

seems to me that this holly spirit have no power without that's which belong to most high (the father) , exactly as jesus who said that by his ownself can do nothing

i believe that " the most high" is the God , but i have no reason from the bible to believe that holy spirit is the God himself

 

[elwill]

forgot to inform you that Quran talked about two events concerening mary and her communication to God

one of them the verses mentioned the angles , this event happened before the time to come for her birth , it was glad tiding from the angles . and the Roah never nmentioned in it

3-45
(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."

He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is.


the verse which mentiones appearance of Ruh to her , was talking about the event when the prophecy came true