Muhammad Ali, is he really as great.....

[TLK Valentine]

Golden, you know the answer. I won't fight your hard heart. That's a battle between you and God where the outcome of the fight is already decided by God.

Then Golden is pre-damned...

 

[MennoSota]

Then Golden is pre-damned...

Not necessarily. God has saved murderers, thieves, and thugs. Most atheists I know are nice folks. God has saved many an atheist.
I let God choose and I don't fret over things that are out of my control.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Golden, you know the answer. I won't fight your hard heart. That's a battle between you and God where the outcome of the fight is already decided by God.

I'm not talking about God. You said something cannot come from nothing. I don't disagree with that.

I say, there was never a time when nothing existed.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Not necessarily. God has saved murderers, thieves, and thugs. Most atheists I know are nice folks. God has saved many an atheist.
I let God choose and I don't fret over things that are out of my control.

What if He never chooses?

 

[MennoSota]

What if He never chooses?

Did you work for Hewlett Packard?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Did you work for Hewlett Packard?

Oh man, this is almost too good for words!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not necessarily. God has saved murderers, thieves, and thugs. Most atheists I know are nice folks. God has saved many an atheist.
I let God choose and I don't fret over things that are out of my control.

But hasn't God already made His decision?

 

[MennoSota]

But hasn't God already made His decision?

Sure, but I don't know what that decision is. I am just told to be an ambassador who shares the good news of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5)

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sure, but I don't know what that decision is. I am just told to be an ambassador who shares the good news of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5)

Nobody knows -- but the decision is made. And God's not one to change his mind, is he?

 

[MennoSota]

Nobody knows -- but the decision is made. And God's not one to change his mind, is he?

He chooses as He wills.

No one knows. Which means you may one day be walking in faith, trusting in Yeshua's atonement for your sins.
Many fine atheists have come to faith.

 

[TLK Valentine]

He chooses as He wills.

No one knows. Which means you may one day be walking in faith, trusting in Yeshua's atonement for your sins.
Many fine atheists have come to faith.

If He wills... and if He doesn't, then the die is cast.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Allah?

If that is what you believe......

 

[civilwarbuff]

It didn't.

It also didn't come from a magical being who is exempt from the rules of existence.

Then what did it come from?

 

[civilwarbuff]

I say, there was never a time when nothing existed.

And you have evidence of that, right?

 

[MennoSota]

If He wills... and if He doesn't, then the die is cast.

That...is called...Sovereign right.

As law breakers of God's moral law, his specific will is our punishment for our crime. This is just.
As a Sovereign King, He has the right to pardon whom He wills. This is mercy.
As a Father, He can adopt whom He wills into His family. This is an act of grace.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That...is called...Sovereign right.

As law breakers of God's moral law, his specific will is our punishment for our crime. This is just.
As a Sovereign King, He has the right to pardon whom He wills. This is mercy.
As a Father, He can adopt whom He wills into His family. This is an act of grace.

And if He wills nobody to be adopted, so be it...

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If that is what you believe......

Why wouldn't I?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And you have evidence of that, right?

Yes. The BB posits that time and space began with the the expansion of the universe. There simply was no time where nothing existed.

 

[MennoSota]

And if He wills nobody to be adopted, so be it...

No person is obligated to adopt. It is their choice if they want to adopt and it is their choice whom they will adopt.
Do you begrudge anyone who chooses not to adopt or do you begrudge a person who shops around for a specific child during the adoption process?
There is nothing wrong with God being able and willing to choose.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No person is obligated to adopt. It is their choice if they want to adopt and it is their choice whom they will adopt.
Do you begrudge anyone who chooses not to adopt or do you begrudge a person who shops around for a specific child during the adoption process?
There is nothing wrong with God being able and willing to choose.

That's easy for an adopted kid to say. Us here at the orphanage feel a little differently about it.