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<blockquote data-quote="dad" data-source="post: 27583504" data-attributes="member: 98011"><p>Jesus is the bright and morning star, and stars do have a connection to spirits. Some feel it represents the territory or jurisdiction, etc of the angel. Otherd have other ideas. But in this case, the dragon has a third of the angels cast down with him to earth. It could be about the same time that stars fall out of our view, and connected somehow. But the actual stars will not be cast to earth, the spirits refered to will. Sounds like you don't understand the spiritual aspects of the bible, and think it must be literal, and physical, which is dead wrong. Also sounds like you don't really want to know. AS I said, you would need God's help, and to be spiritually minded. No other way there, it is locked to the understanding of the natural only mind</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> Ha. Starting to sound pitiful in the empty little victory claims, when you have only recited uniformitarian beliefs. Like in this thread, the topic is the future, and state of heaven, and you have come up empty as to showing us the future will be the same as now.</p><p> So, what's left? You try to cast aspersions on me, and the bible. Too bad you have no case.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> John was His friend, and a witness of the things in the gospels, as well as the reputed author of Revelations, that is the man that penned the revelation OF Jesus Christ, as it says it actually is.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> No, the rebels that are cast out with the devil come to earth. If stars fall, coincedentally about a third it says in ANOTHR place in the bible, they will not fall on little old earth. That is insultingly ridiculous, and not at all what the nbible says.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> That is more certain than the law of gravity!!! An intersesting point, is that this future state matter does float as needed. We can look for more evidences of this, and find them.</p><p> Miracles on earth are a touch of the devine, or spiritual. When the spiritual is added, Jesus walked on water! In another place, we see an ax floated on water. Elsewhere, we see that manna seemed to still be good, in the Ark of the Covenant I think it was a something like few hundred years later! We saw that the adding of the spiritual gives healings, even raised some from the dead!!! These are properties of matter in heaven as well, and a taste of what it will be like. We saw flying chariots (saucers?) carry off Elijah to heaven, and one guy walk so far with God, he simply was no more here, he was there. We saw some find themselves on the other side of a sea in no time at all. These are powers we will have, and traits of the new reality to come. The bible is full of miracles. Consider them clues.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> That is fine, but they can't do so in a biblical way, because the city is coming, we know what it is made of, and how big it is, who lives there as well. We also know that this universe, importantly, and it's current state is temporary. No present based laws can apply there, that will burn out the sun, etc etc etc.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> No gravity will exist as we know it in the future at least. Look at the size of that thing 1500 miles long, wide, and high! Coming down to earth. As for the sun rotating where, I have no idea at all. I can say it wuill be here however. Also, that we are the center of the universe as will then be apparent, regardless of whether we have a similar orbit order in our solar system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dad, post: 27583504, member: 98011"] Jesus is the bright and morning star, and stars do have a connection to spirits. Some feel it represents the territory or jurisdiction, etc of the angel. Otherd have other ideas. But in this case, the dragon has a third of the angels cast down with him to earth. It could be about the same time that stars fall out of our view, and connected somehow. But the actual stars will not be cast to earth, the spirits refered to will. Sounds like you don't understand the spiritual aspects of the bible, and think it must be literal, and physical, which is dead wrong. Also sounds like you don't really want to know. AS I said, you would need God's help, and to be spiritually minded. No other way there, it is locked to the understanding of the natural only mind Ha. Starting to sound pitiful in the empty little victory claims, when you have only recited uniformitarian beliefs. Like in this thread, the topic is the future, and state of heaven, and you have come up empty as to showing us the future will be the same as now. So, what's left? You try to cast aspersions on me, and the bible. Too bad you have no case. John was His friend, and a witness of the things in the gospels, as well as the reputed author of Revelations, that is the man that penned the revelation OF Jesus Christ, as it says it actually is. No, the rebels that are cast out with the devil come to earth. If stars fall, coincedentally about a third it says in ANOTHR place in the bible, they will not fall on little old earth. That is insultingly ridiculous, and not at all what the nbible says. That is more certain than the law of gravity!!! An intersesting point, is that this future state matter does float as needed. We can look for more evidences of this, and find them. Miracles on earth are a touch of the devine, or spiritual. When the spiritual is added, Jesus walked on water! In another place, we see an ax floated on water. Elsewhere, we see that manna seemed to still be good, in the Ark of the Covenant I think it was a something like few hundred years later! We saw that the adding of the spiritual gives healings, even raised some from the dead!!! These are properties of matter in heaven as well, and a taste of what it will be like. We saw flying chariots (saucers?) carry off Elijah to heaven, and one guy walk so far with God, he simply was no more here, he was there. We saw some find themselves on the other side of a sea in no time at all. These are powers we will have, and traits of the new reality to come. The bible is full of miracles. Consider them clues. That is fine, but they can't do so in a biblical way, because the city is coming, we know what it is made of, and how big it is, who lives there as well. We also know that this universe, importantly, and it's current state is temporary. No present based laws can apply there, that will burn out the sun, etc etc etc. No gravity will exist as we know it in the future at least. Look at the size of that thing 1500 miles long, wide, and high! Coming down to earth. As for the sun rotating where, I have no idea at all. I can say it wuill be here however. Also, that we are the center of the universe as will then be apparent, regardless of whether we have a similar orbit order in our solar system. [/QUOTE]
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