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Matter of Heaven

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by dad, Sep 29, 2006.

  1. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    New Jerusalem is made of eternal transparent gold, and it will land on an eternal earth here. In heavens that are eternal, and where trees grow a different fruit in some cases every single month of the year.
    Human eternal bodies there will be composed of eternal matter, like the ressurected body of Jesus, that could appear, and go through doors, and yet was physical also, and could eat, and drink.
    This means that Christians by and large accept that a different state of the universe is coming. This is what we believe. We the majority of Christians on earth.
    A heaven where animals like lions will again eat straw like an ox, as originally created. A place where we can fly, even the horses can fly. A place where angels and God walk, and live, as well as us.
    A state unlike the present one.
    We do not appreciate those who, with no possible evidence claim that our galaxy will crash, sun burn out, and earth fade away one day, especially to children.
    Stop it please.
     
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    Is heven on top of the big cloud made of gold?:confused:
     
  4. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    No, it is on top of earth, and is about the size of the moon. An interesting fact is that this moon sized object of gold will land on earth. If a moon tried it now, gravity would exist, and we would be wiped out good and proper. Heavens, imagine the tides even?! That means that gravity, as we know it, just will not apply. Neither of course will decay.
    Our present state of the universe, and laws of physics will be no more. That is real science 101. This is a temporary universal state.
     
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    Do you get to joust with windmills in the New Jerusalem?
     
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    Dannager Back in Town

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    Man, that'd be sweet.
     
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    Dad,

    Could you please share whatever it is you are ingesting? Because...I want to fly!!

    Edit: Should this really be on the Crevo board?
     
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    Yes, it's so much better to tell children that they will burn in a lake of fire if they don't go to church without any evidence.
     
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    So is it true that there are no toilets in heaven and that nothing will go to waste there?
     
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    The New Jerusalem decends from Heaven or from above to the earth. This is a city of I think 1500 sq miles that will become the capital of the world.

    You can see it will be a very fancy place. Now we are doing good to build out of granite & marble. But then they will be using a transparent gold to pave the streets. The gates of the city will be made out of what traditionaly have been precious stones. Of course even now crystals of different colors are not as rare as they use to be. People are able to grow them out in their garage. If you go to a gem show you can buy very large pieces of what use to be precious stones.
     
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    Isn't "transparent gold" an oxymoron?
     
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    They can read it for themselves in the Bible and make their own determination what it means.
    We know the Bible says the "lake of fire" is the "second death"

    Rev. 20:14-15
    Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    [15] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Rev. 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters,
    and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
     
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    Hydra009 bel esprit

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    No, but there will be eternal toilets made out of solid, transparent gold. ;)
     
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    Actually what that means is that gold will not reflect light but that it will produce it's own light. We are told that there will be no sun.

    Rev. 22:5
    There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

    I use to have dreams about how bright the colors are in Heaven. But now HD TV is heading in that direction, with bright colors.
     
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    That stinks. I don't want gold I want solid hydrogen.
     
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    Good point. I guess some might do that. I don't go to church, so why would I tell them that? I don't even think that many, save for the real stinkers, will do time in the lake. Laketime.
    But they ought to know eternal salvation is just a prayer away.
     
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    Yes
     
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    Only in the PO present universe, where gold is not transparent, or eternal. Matter is different in the new universe to come soon.
     
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