masturbation

[ivanisavich]

There's nothing wrong with being sexually aroused or satisfying that urge on your own.

Certainly there is! The 2nd half of your statement is the leading cause of all affairs, fornication, pornography etc etc. People become sexually arroused yes, that's okay...it's when you satisfy those sexual cravings outside of a married relationship that things become a problem.

Anywho...happy birthday

 

[holo]

Certainly there is! The 2nd half of your statement is the leading cause of all affairs, fornication, pornography etc etc. People become sexually arroused yes, that's okay...it's when you satisfy those sexual cravings outside of a married relationship that things become a problem.

Thanks!

Back to topic. When I said "satisfy on your own" it was implied that it is... well, alone. As in, not an affair. Also, you don't need pornography to touch. I think the problem is when people are *not* satisfied - I've experimented with abstaining from masturbation, and you wouldn't believe how much even the ugliest and oldest women would suddenly look sexy to me. Not to mention the "blue balls", which I'm sure you're familiar with.
It's directly painful.

No, honestly, thank God for masturbation!

 

[Mission26]

I think if you are going to speak so openly of male problems this topic would be better suited in the male forums.. There are young ladies here, dont forget. =)

 

[~HopeFloats~]

I for one do not think it is a sin.
It is not a affair, as you are alone..

It is a choice you make..I for one feel it is better then out using the other sex (male or female)

I for one think men do it more..men are animals when it comes to lust and sex, women are more emotional..

 

[shaitiger]

Definitely a sin.

www.forgivendriven.com

 

[Fatolia]

After all....you yourself said that you touch to calm sexual tension in your mind....

I did NOT say I did that.

 

[Fatolia]

I think if you are going to speak so openly of male problems this topic would be better suited in the male forums.. There are young ladies here, dont forget. =)

But it's not just a male issue.

 

[Fatolia]

No one is giving reason why it's "wrong."

Here is the argument I see:

1) Extramarital sex is wrong (true)
2) Lusting is wrong (true)
3) No one can touch without lusting (how would anyone know this?)
4) There's nothing said about masturbation in the Bible, but because masturbation is the same as 1 & 2...it's wrong! (invalid assumption)
5) Finally, and most importantly, masturbation is wrong...because....it just is!!!

 

[ivanisavich]

I did NOT say I did that.

originally posted by Fatolia:

Personally, I find that if I don't do it often....I start lusting LOTS.

Am I misreading something here then?

3) No one can touch without lusting (how would anyone know this?)

Because it's human nature! Especially since us men are so easily susceptable to visual stimulation. If you're somehow able to spend your entire life up until marriage masturbating without any lustful thoughts ever....then you need to get some kind of award and matching statue or something. However, if masturbation ever causes you to lust (and/or, the practice of regular masturbation increases the number of lustful thoughts in your mind during other times in the day) you should not be doing it!

Masturbation is wrong because it tempts us to sin....and we are all called to stay away from any forms of temptation--not just the actual sins themselves. Saying that it's okay to touch as long as you try to keep your thoughts non-sexual is like saying it's okay to go into a strip club as long as you don't look at any of the girls-----in other words....you're just setting yourself up for disaster!

 

[Hope_0004]

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Certainly there is! The 2nd half of your statement is the leading cause of all affairs, fornication, pornography etc etc. People become sexually arroused yes, that's okay...it's when you satisfy those sexual cravings outside of a married relationship that things become a problem.

Anywho...happy birthday

So what if a person never marries? They are never allowed to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]?

 

[ivanisavich]

So what if a person never marries? They are never allowed to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]?

If a person lusts then/he should should get married to satisfy those lusts (Paul says that in NT). Once again, in order for a person to manually reach [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] alone, he/she must touch....and the side effect of doing that is lustful thoughts (whether during the actual act, or increased sexual thoughts later as your body tries to get you to repeat that desireable feeling again).

Btw....the question isn't too valid in the first place. I might as well say "What if a person never marries? They are never allowed to have sex?"

For both situations the answer is no...you may not (well....for the original question it's "no" in the context that you shouldn't be stimulating yourself manually.....nocturnal emissions or whatever do not count)

 

[nuarc]

If a person lusts then/he should should get married to satisfy those lusts

Totally love the way you talk about marriage like it's something you run out and pick up at the store .**



Feeling Lust today? Drop by and pick up a bottle of Paulson's Ye Olde Marriage: Lust Killer. Clears it right up!





**The writer does not condone Marriage as a cure for lust.

 

[ivanisavich]

Totally love the way you talk about marriage like it's something you run out and pick up at the store .**

Well cmon...you know what I mean

Plus...not my words....they're the Bible's! hehe

 

[u2bonoman]

"If it feels good for you, it's okay. If it doesn't, it's not."

That's not AT ALL what I said, or was intending. I'm saying if you that as a Christian, if you feel convicted, don't do it.

...

I wonder if "jefry" and " charlie manson" felt ok or good about what they did??

I'm guessing neither of them had the Holy Spirit.

 

[ivanisavich]

...well there's no real "test" to see if someone "has the holy spirit"....that's why it's extremely dangerous to rely only on your own emotions (not physical danger of course...but you're putting your good judgement at risk). Hence the reason we were given the Bible, which we can use as our objective moral standard

 

[u2bonoman]

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Masturbation is wrong because it tempts us to sin....

Being tempted is not a sin. Acting on that temptation is. Anyone could say ANYTHING tempts us to sin.

 

[ivanisavich]

Being tempted is not a sin.

No, but continually putting yourself in a situation where you are being tempted is wrong. We're called to turn from any unrighteousness.....and I'm not sure how putting yoruself in that kind of temptation repeatedly and by choice is any bit righteous.

 

[ivanisavich]

Like I said before....with the kind of logic that states "I can put myself in any tempting situation, as long as I don't actually commit an act of sin", you should have no problem frequenting strip-clubs so long as you don't actually look and lust at the women.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[u2bonoman]

...well there's no real "test" to see if someone "has the holy spirit"....that's why it's extremely dangerous to rely only on your own emotions (not physical danger of course...but you're putting your good judgement at risk). Hence the reason we were given the Bible, which we can use as our objective moral standard

You're misreading. I am not testing YOU to see if YOU have the Holy Spirit. Only YOU and GOD know that. If YOU know YOU have the Holy Spirit, maybe YOU also know when YOU shouldn't do something. It's not emotions that always tell you what you should and should not do.

I'll come right out and say it. I engage in this activity all the time, and I don't have lustful thoughts while doing it. I don't watch porn. I don't go to clubs looking to 'hook up'. I don't look up skirts. I can control myself. God has never convicted me of this, yet he has convicted me of MANY other things.

So, I think my argument is pretty valid. Some people are more succeptable to sin than others. Just because I can control myself from lusting, doesn't mean others can.

 

[u2bonoman]

Like I said before....with the kind of logic that states "I can put myself in any tempting situation, as long as I don't actually commit an act of sin", you should have no problem frequenting strip-clubs so long as you don't actually look and lust at the women.

Wouldn't you agree?

No. Going to a strip club is wrong. Masterbating is not.