Doesn't change the fact that the view has not been supported with any substance.Figure of speech. I could have used silly putty as well
I am. But you keep leaving the discussion only to return as if you've given some.
The time issue is understandable. But acting as if you have addressed the issue in full is not.If you're referring to me being on sometimes but not at others, yes I'll admit to that: my job does restrict my time on here...
The time issue is understandable. But acting as if you have addressed the issue in full is not.
Nothing is known, if you are to look at what you've provided. It's been pure speculation. You cannot point to anything concrete to back up the existence of Heavenly Mother.I'm sorry if you feel that way. I feel like I've answered everything to the best of ability several times. Somethings (in the this case, most things) are just not known.
Nothing is known, if you are to look at what you've provided. It's been pure speculation. You cannot point to anything concrete to back up the existence of Heavenly Mother.
None of that matters. Let's stick to the subject at hand. Please, if you will, respond to my previous post.
Too vague? Okay. Let's start with this. What is the foundation for this belief? How do first learn about her?Your comment is too vague to answer without more information. I can be much more helpful going where you want to go if you told me where that is.
Too vague? Okay. Let's start with this. What is the foundation for this belief? How do first learn about her?
I understand you are repeating yourself. But you aren't addressing the elephant in the room. So I'm doing this step by step.I have answered this multiple times already!
This limited knowledge we have is best summed up in-
(If you want an official church statement) https://www.lds.org/topics/mother-in-heaven?lang=eng
(If you want a scholarly approach) The BYU essay "A Mother There"
(If you want to know more personally) Ask God in prayer.
The fact that you keep asking the same question over and over again, have it answered repeatedly, and yet still claim it's not answered makes me think that A) you're not listening to me, or B) you're really trying to ask something else. Either way I'm getting tired of repeating myself. (Sorry for the rant, but this is very time consuming).
Actually though I will never defend the cult of the LDS there is support for a Heavenly Mother. NOT Mary. I am not Roman Catholic.Eliza Snow composed the Hymn, "O, My Father" which seemingly opened a can of theological worms, in my opinion. Verses 3 & 4 set forth Eliza's reasoning (speculation?).
Verse 3
I had learned to call thee Father,Verse 4
Thru thy Spirit from on high,
But, until the key of knowledge
Was restored, I knew not why.
In the heav'ns are parents single?
No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason; truth eternal
Tells me I've a mother there.
Heavenly Mother now is more than a wishful hymn for the LDS Church; She has become doctrine. This thread is to explore the LDS concept of Heavenly Mother especially the logical and doctrinal implications of the LDS concept of Heavenly Mother.
When I leave this frail existence,
When I lay this mortal by,
Father, Mother, may I meet you
In your royal courts on high?
Then, at length, when I've completed
All you sent me forth to do,
With your mutual approbation
Let me come and dwell with you.
This notion raises many questions:
[1] Is this concept found in the Bible? Why is she omitted from the Great Commission Matt 18:19-20?
[2] Heavenly Father is deemed God by LDS, is Heavenly Mother deemed God also? And if not why not and if so is She to be worshiped?
[3] Are there Multiple Heavenly Mothers?
[4] Is Eliza Snow right in saying that both must approve those who come to live with them?
[5] Is this Restored Christianity?
Sometimes, I am told that she is sacred and talking about Her is not right. If that is the LDS view, why? Eliza Snow seems quite comfortable in doing so.
I am sure other questions will arise but for a start, I argue that the Notion of Heavenly Mom is a very awkward doctrine to try to fit into Christianity.
I understand you are repeating yourself. But you aren't addressing the elephant in the room. So I'm doing this step by step.
Is it accurate to say that the basis for knowing about her is hearsay? If not, what would say is the basis?
Okay, why don't you think it's hearsay?*shrug*
I gave you official statements and their references. If after examining it, you decide that it's hearsay, that's your opinion and you have the right to it. I'm not going to tell you how to think.
In the meantime, I have my own thoughts on the matter.
Okay, why don't you think it's hearsay?
But we are talking about the genesis of the doctrine. How was it first introduced into Mormonism?My personal beliefs are also rooted in lots of scripture searching and deep prayer talking with God about things.
But we are talking about the genesis of the doctrine. How was it first introduced into Mormonism?
In your own words, how was it introduced? How do you understand it's beginning? I'm not interested in references to other articles. That doesn't make for a good discussion.I gave you references. If you're unwilling to read them, it's not my problem.