Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[AV1611VET]

Who would even bring up." Evolution lost in court"
if they gave it ten seconds' thought?

Steve Kemper?

The Smithsonian Institute?

QV post 1670.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I wonder what the other states would have done.

Other states didn't all have laws criminalizing the teaching of evolution. There was nothing for most of them to do.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I wonder what the other states would have done.

It wouldn't really have mattered since in 1968 it was considered unconstitutional to not teach evolution on religious grounds in public schools.

Steve Kemper?

The Smithsonian Institute?

QV post 1670.

QV post 1674. The link from the Smithsonian doesn't say what you think it says.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who would even bring up." Evolution lost in court"
if they gave it ten seconds' thought?

Steve Kemper?

The Smithsonian Institute?

QV post 1670.

QV post 1674. The link from the Smithsonian doesn't say what you think it says.

So Steve Kemper didn't bring up evolution losing in court?

 

[AV1611VET]

Other states didn't all have laws criminalizing the teaching of evolution. There was nothing for most of them to do.

Most, no.

But Arkansas and Mississippi did.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Most, no.

But Arkansas and Mississippi did.

And who'd want to live there? (apparently my grandparents. They move to R-Kansas in the mid 70s to retire.)

It's almost like you understand what we are saying, our grammar, etc., but you reply anyways just to keep your minor point going...

 

[AV1611VET]

And who'd want to live there?

Jennifer Wiseman?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So Steve Kemper didn't bring up evolution losing in court?

And? One court in Tennesse in the early 20th century is not the groundbreaking hit against evolution you think it is.

 

[AV1611VET]

And? One court in Tennesse in the early 20th century is not the groundbreaking hit against evolution you think it is.

Evolution lost in court in 1925.

Why is such a truthful statement making such a fuss?

Accept it.

It's a part of Americana.

(I find you guys' reactions quite interesting.)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I see this all the time, it's become one of those knee jerk responses, but we did infact evolve from monkeys if evolution is true.

This may seem pedantic, but by definition the common ancestor between monkeys and humans was infact a monkey, we would call it a monkey if we saw it today, it would fit all the criteria for being a monkey. it wasn't a modern one, but it was still a monkey.

The split from monkeys happened after new world and old world monkeys split, so humans are descended from old world monkeys wich would make our ancestors monkeys.

Actually, a microbe.

Meet grandma and pa

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution lost in court in 1925.

Why is such a truthful statement making such a fuss?

Accept it.

It's a part of Americana.

(I find you guys' reactions quite interesting.)

First off: it wasn't evolution that lost in court. The Scopes Trial wasn't about evolution itself, but about if it was legal to teach evolution in Tennesse in regards to the Butler Act of 1925. The ACLU argued that it wasn't illegal to teach it, they lost. And said decision was then rendered moot in 1968.

Secondly, even if the ACLU did lose in court, so what? That does not mean that evolution is not a fact of science. You're the one acting like the Scopes Trial somehow showed that evolution was/is wrong.

 

[driewerf]

So Steve Kemper didn't bring up evolution losing in court?

"Evolution" didn't lose in court. John Scopes was on trial, not evolution. And the purpose was to get a conviction, to be able to challenge the Tennessee law before the Supreme Court. (This failed through a technicality.) But if you really want to go down that road, "evolution won" all following rematches:like Epperson vs Arkansas; McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education; Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover.

I

 

[AV1611VET]

"Evolution" didn't lose in court. John Scopes was on trial, not evolution. And the purpose was to get a conviction, to be able to challenge the Tennessee law before the Supreme Court. (This failed through a technicality.) But if you really want to go down that road, "evolution won" all following rematches:like Epperson vs Arkansas; McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education; Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover.

I

You see it one way, I see it another.

 

[driewerf]

You see it one way, I see it another.

Cognitive relativism? Who had thought that?

 

[Estrid]

Cognitive relativism? Who had thought that?

Who cannot see that those who think
"Evolution lost in court" must perforce likewise
think Christianity itself has likewise lost in court?

Of course reversible cognition may then come into
play for those already beset with the grim spectre of
cognitve relativism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who cannot see that those who think "Evolution lost in court" must perforce likewise think Christianity itself has likewise lost in court?

Of course it has.

Many times.

Does Judge Moore come to mind?

And it's going to get worse -- much worse -- before it gets better.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cognitive relativism? Who had thought that?

I'm cognate of my relatives.

Especially this time of year.

Jesus is the Reason for the Season.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

I see this all the time, it's become one of those knee jerk responses, but we did infact evolve from monkeys if evolution is true.

This may seem pedantic, but by definition the common ancestor between monkeys and humans was infact a monkey, we would call it a monkey if we saw it today, it would fit all the criteria for being a monkey. it wasn't a modern one, but it was still a monkey.

The split from monkeys happened after new world and old world monkeys split, so humans are descended from old world monkeys wich would make our ancestors monkeys.

This gives me an idea! I think I'll start a monkey ancestry DNA lab. I'll trace folks DNA all the way to their monkey ancestors and then I can tell them exactly what family of monkeys they come from.

 

[Estrid]

This gives me an idea! I think I'll start a monkey ancestry DNA lab. I'll trace folks DNA all the way to their monkey ancestors and then I can tell them exactly what family of monkeys they come from.

What purpose does above post have?

 

[Shemjaza]

This gives me an idea! I think I'll start a monkey ancestry DNA lab. I'll trace folks DNA all the way to their monkey ancestors and then I can tell them exactly what family of monkeys they come from.

All humans would be the same on that scale. In fact all apes would be in that same category as well.