John Kelly goes on the record to confirm several disturbing stories about Trump

[Bradskii]

Stop yelling. You didn't read what I said. I didn't say HE was an anonymous source. I did say that he didn't say anything directly except the one unverified comment.

He literally quotes three things that he said Trump had said. That he heard him say. Don't shoot the messenger. In this case CNN.

I keep saying this but your only choice is to say that Kelly is lying and that Trump would never say such things. And we already he know what he's capable of saying.

It's your call. Make it.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

He literally quotes three things that he said Trump had said. That he heard him say. Don't shoot the messenger. In this case CNN.

I keep saying this but your only choice is to say that Kelly is lying and that Trump would never say such things. And we already he know what he's capable of saying.

It's your call. Make it.

I’m waiting with baited breath…

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

He literally quotes three things that he said Trump had said. That he heard him say. Don't shoot the messenger. In this case CNN.

I keep saying this but your only choice is to say that Kelly is lying and that Trump would never say such things. And we already he know what he's capable of saying.

It's your call. Make it.

Your call is to understand that it is an unverified statement. Make it.

Let's say I'm CNN. I could just declare that your employee Fred said you are a (fill in the blank) with no evidence, simply because I am biased against you.

My outlet could report it, but it lacks journalistic credibility to do so without any verification, and that is not how journalism is done.

Not until the past few years, anyway.

 

[Pommer]

Your call is to understand that it is an unverified statement. Make it.

Let's say I'm CNN. I could just declare that your employee Fred said you are a (fill in the blank) with no evidence, simply because I am biased against you.

My outlet could report it, but it lacks journalistic credibility to do so without any verification, and that is not how journalism is done.

Not until the past few years, anyway.

*John Kelly is just a disgruntled ex-employee!*?
I could see holding onto that to excuse Trump for nearly anything 45 did or said, because He’s such a good, honest, wise, dear, leader, and always the victim of unscrupulous underlings who have an ax to grind.

 

[USincognito]

Your call is to understand that it is an unverified statement. Make it.

Let's say I'm CNN. I could just declare that your employee Fred said you are a (fill in the blank) with no evidence, simply because I am biased against you.

My outlet could report it, but it lacks journalistic credibility to do so without any verification, and that is not how journalism is done.

Not until the past few years, anyway.

This sort of fan fiction is fascinating to read. Kelly, himself, is saying he heard Donald say the things he did. This isn't second hand news. This is a witness.

Given his treatment of John McCain, it's hardly surprising to anyone who isn't an ardent believer.

 

[Bradskii]

Your call is to understand that it is an unverified statement. Make it.

Let's say I'm CNN. I could just declare that your employee Fred said you are a (fill in the blank) with no evidence, simply because I am biased against you.

My outlet could report it, but it lacks journalistic credibility to do so without any verification, and that is not how journalism is done.

Not until the past few years, anyway.

There were reports that Trump made those comments. Kelly literally verified them. He said that they were true. He said that he personally heard Trump make the comments. It's a first hand account of what occurred. CNN didn't say that Kelly was reported to have said something about what Trump was reported to have said. They quoted him. Directly. On the record. And he quoted Trump. Directly.

This is the equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and shouting 'La la la.' It's a complete denial of reality.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

*John Kelly is just a disgruntled ex-employee!*?
I could see holding onto that to excuse Trump for nearly anything 45 did or said, because He’s such a good, honest, wise, dear, leader, and always the victim of unscrupulous underlings who have an ax to grind.

Fallacy. You cannot support your assertion. Kelley said Trump said it, so it must be true, even though unverified. Nope. Doesn't work like that.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Your call is to understand that it is an unverified statement. Make it.

Let's say I'm CNN. I could just declare that your employee Fred said you are a (fill in the blank) with no evidence, simply because I am biased against you.

My outlet could report it, but it lacks journalistic credibility to do so without any verification, and that is not how journalism is done.

Not until the past few years, anyway.

I honestly think that anyone who worked for Trump has to go on record demonizing Trump or face the loss of career, because being in the Trump White House in most companies and places isn't someone someone who's going to be hired - at least not at the type of salaries most desired.

So why go down with Trump? It's the most likely thought process.

It is that bad, or at least it seems like it.

But openly talk bad about Trump and BOOM! There's a book deal, money rolling in and all career possibilities are back.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear him come out and say anything that people want to hear - and they don't want to hear anything good.

I'm not saying take it at face value, but anymore nothing surprises me.

 

[durangodawood]

There were reports that Trump made those comments. Kelly literally verified them. He said that they were true. He said that he personally heard Trump make the comments. It's a first hand account of what occurred. CNN didn't say that Kelly was reported to have said something about what Trump was reported to have said. They quoted him. Directly. On the record. And he quoted Trump. Directly.

This is the equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and shouting 'La la la.' It's a complete denial of reality.

The commitment to Trump does not permit those thing to be correct. So they are not correct.

Thats how truth is made these days.

 

[NxNW]

Kelley said Trump said it, so it must be true, even though unverified.

Kelley is the verifier in this case.

 

[USincognito]

I honestly think that anyone who worked for Trump has to go on record demonizing Trump or face the loss of career, because being in the Trump White House in most companies and places isn't someone someone who's going to be hired - at least not at the type of salaries most desired.

So why go down with Trump? It's the most likely thought process.

It is that bad, or at least it seems like it.

But openly talk bad about Trump and BOOM! There's a book deal, money rolling in and all career possibilities are back.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear him come out and say anything that people want to hear - and they don't want to hear anything good.

Or, and I know this will sound insane to you, Donald really is everything that nearly everyone who worked for or with him says he is.

I'm not saying take it at face value, but anymore nothing surprises me.

Indeed. The tortured rationalizations some folks go through to defend Donald at all costs is to be expected at this point.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I honestly think that anyone who worked for Trump has to go on record demonizing Trump or face the loss of career, because being in the Trump White House in most companies and places isn't someone someone who's going to be hired - at least not at the type of salaries most desired.

So why go down with Trump? It's the most likely thought process.

It is that bad, or at least it seems like it.

But openly talk bad about Trump and BOOM! There's a book deal, money rolling in and all career possibilities are back.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear him come out and say anything that people want to hear - and they don't want to hear anything good.

I'm not saying take it at face value, but anymore nothing surprises me.

I agree with the last sentence. Nothing surprises me in the last few years.

 

[juanwood]

Fallacy. You cannot support your assertion. Kelley said Trump said it, so it must be true, even though unverified. Nope. Doesn't work like that.

So in summary, you believe that John Kelly is lying. That answers the question of other posters in this thread.

 

[o_mlly]

Well, DJT is far less than perfect, and we all knew that. I certainly wouldn't want him to date my sister. But I might consider him to run my used car lot.

The decisions we face are sometimes not to choose the better one but the lesser evil. In 2016 it was DJT or HRC. In 2020 it was DJT or JRB. Meh!

I was far safer physically and more financially secure in 2017-2020 than I have been since JRB took over. The choice in 2024 may be a megalomaniac vs. an "ingormaniac". Well, that megalomaniac is at least our megalomaniac.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

So in summary, you believe that John Kelly is lying. That answers the question of other posters in this thread.

No, I believe it is unverified. Given the bias here, we are going to need more than "one guy said so."

Maybe you always accept the first story you are told, but I choose to always look at all of the evidence. Anyone who has raised kids should understand the first story you are told isn't always the whole story of what actually happened. Trust....but verify.

 

[Bradskii]

No, I believe it is unverified. Given the bias here, we are going to need more than "one guy said so."

Maybe you always accept the first story you are told, but I choose to always look at all of the evidence. Anyone who has raised kids should understand the first story you are told isn't always the whole story of what actually happened. Trust....but verify.

Kelly verified it. I'm really not sure what definition of the word you are using. He literally said that he heard Trump say the words that were literally quoted. How else do your verify something other than someone saying 'I heard him say it'?

If you say that you don't believe him then you are obviously saying that he lied. We all see that. Fair enough, you don't trust the guy. But why you don't come out and simply say that is something of a mystery.

 

[Hellothere18]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

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“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.​

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“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.​

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“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”​

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Wow. Wish he spoke up sooner.

 

[Hellothere18]

Kelly verified it. I'm really not sure what definition of the word you are using. He literally said that he heard Trump say the words that were literally quoted. How else do your verify something other than someone saying 'I heard him say it'?

If you say that you don't believe him then you are obviously saying that he lied. We all see that. Fair enough, you don't trust the guy. But why you don't come out and simply say that is something of a mystery.

You so-called Christians should really question whether you are really Christians or just really under the guidance of our Father down below.
Some of the words wrote via this platform are very offending & nasty, in the way you treat and write about someone or something you do not like or disagree with. As we are now in the beginning stages of RAPTURE, you really should behave yourself if you desire to be rewarded with a place within the enemies kingdom of the great pretender.
The Acicia plant provided the humiliation of embarrassment, pain & degradable honour over 2000 years ago.

 

[Pommer]

You so-called Christians should really question whether you are really Christians or just really under the guidance of our Father down below.
Some of the words wrote via this platform are very offending & nasty, in the way you treat and write about someone or something you do not like or disagree with. As we are now in the beginning stages of RAPTURE, you really should behave yourself if you desire to be rewarded with a place within the enemies kingdom of the great pretender.
The Acicia plant provided the humiliation of embarrassment, pain & degradable honour over 2000 years ago.

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