It is time for a new Holy Inquisition

[JoabAnias]

Had to post this of course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKxnaMeOK20

I had a professor in college show a whole Monty Python series in a European history course once.

Talk about getting your tuitions worth eh?

It turned out to be a great course just the same.

One of my favorite teachers ever.

 

[chaoschristian]

No. It means he should not attempt to give me lessons in the Catechism, a book which I have studied and own several copies of. Unless he has studied more than me, which I am willing to bet he hasn't

Define 'more'.

No.

Scratch that.

I'm not getting into an appendage waving contest over this.

Jesus teaches us that there's a danger in living to the letter of the law and missing the spirit of it and the point of it entirely.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[katholikos]

Well then, let me rephrase my original post to clarify.

First, it is true that we should forgive and pray rather than just boot people out. However, it is also true that excommunication is warranted for habitually unrepetentant sinners.

It is my opinion that many Catholic politicians and judges who have supported abortion policies for years and years despite endless warnings from the Church have reached the point of needing to be excommunicated.

Obviously the bishops disagree, and they are in authority. But I think they need to do it. That is my opinion.

That statement is totally in line with the Catechism

 

[JoabAnias]

The Inquisitions were Ecclesiastical Courts for trying Catholics who taught doctrines contrary to Catholic teaching.

They were no courts for trying sinners.

Jim

Yea, my first thought was this shows little understanding of the inquisition.

Suggested reading:

The Inquisition: Its Purpose and Rationale Within the Mediæval Worldview (David Armstrong)
Catholic Encyclopedia: INQUISITION
The Inquisition and the Church (Joseph Jenkins)
A New Look at the Spanish Inquisition (Edward O'Brien)
The Spanish Inquisition: Fact Versus Fiction (Marvin R. O'Connell)
REMOTE MOTES AND PRESENT BEAMS (The Inquisition) (Ralph McInerny)
A New Industry: The Inquisition (Brian Van Hove)
The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition (Ellen Rice)
INQUISITION ON THE WEB (David Burr)
INQUISITION (James Hitchcock)
One Cheer for Inquisitions (Gerard Bradley)
Beyond the Myth of the Inquisition: Ours is the Golden Age (Brian Van Hove)
Dave Hunt and the Spanish Inquisition (Phil Porvaznik)
Status: Inquisition in the Catholic Church (Benjamin D. Wicker)
The Spanish Inquisition (Anne W. Carroll)
The Inquisition (William G. Most)
Aquinas and the Heretics (Michael Novak)
Who Burned the Witches? (Sandra Miesel)

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Define 'more'.

Jesus teaches us that there's a danger in living to the letter of the law and missing the spirit of it and the point of it entirely.

I'll leave it at that.

That sounds convienently liberal and seems rather lazy.

 

[chaoschristian]

Well then, let me rephrase my original post to clarify.

First, it is true that we should forgive and pray rather than just boot people out. However, it is also true that excommunication is warranted for habitually unrepetentant sinners.

It is my opinion that many Catholic politicians and judges who have supported abortion policies for years and years despite endless warnings from the Church have reached the point of needing to be excommunicated.

Obviously the bishops disagree, and they are in authority. But I think they need to do it. That is my opinion.

That statement is totally in line with the Catechism

OK. I grok that.

The question, then, is why haven't they (the church authority)?

 

[katholikos]

BTW and FYI: The Office of the Inquisition still exists today in the form of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

 

[JoabAnias]

Well then, let me rephrase my original post to clarify.

First, it is true that we should forgive and pray rather than just boot people out. However, it is also true that excommunication is warranted for habitually unrepetentant sinners.

It is my opinion that many Catholic politicians and judges who have supported abortion policies for years and years despite endless warnings from the Church have reached the point of needing to be excommunicated.

Obviously the bishops disagree, and they are in authority. But I think they need to do it. That is my opinion.

That statement is totally in line with the Catechism

Me too. It amounts to the very definition of heresy imo.

I think they would have to be members of the Church though to actually be excommunicated.

Otherwise, they are already classified as lost souls.

 

[chaoschristian]

That sounds convienently liberal and seems rather lazy.

Christ was apparently inconveniently liberal.

 

[katholikos]

OK. I grok that.

The question, then, is why haven't they (the church authority)?

Well, thats the big question, isnt it

 

[JoabAnias]

OK. I grok that.

The question, then, is why haven't they (the church authority)?

I think its as simple as they are not clergy publicly teaching contrary to the faith.

For all intensive purposes, cooperators in the procurement of the culture of death have already, ipso facto, excommunicated themselves.

 

[JoabAnias]

Christ was apparently inconveniently liberal.

Don't you find it a bit blasphemous to label Jesus either conservative or liberal?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Christ was apparently inconveniently liberal.

He was inconvenient but not liberal. He would never give moral support to those that defy His Church, especially over the matters of killing babies.

 

[thereselittleflower]

One could wonder how the Church would gain the authority to compel American political leaders to comply with a demand to appear before the Holy Inquisition....

LOL If they didn't appear, they would be excommunicated based on the evidence at hand.

That would mean they could no longer be called Catholic, or receive communion and it would mean they would clearly be outside the Church for all the world to see.

 

[Basil the Great]

One could make the case that by casting a public vote in favor of allowing the killing of babies, said Catholic is "in effect" teaching a doctrine contrary to the faith or at least making a public statement that she or he "effectively" does not accept a core doctrine of the faith and that could well be considered heresy.

 

[thereselittleflower]

The Inquisitions were Ecclesiastical Courts for trying Catholics who taught doctrines contrary to Catholic teaching.

They were no courts for trying sinners.

Jim

False, they were also for determing who were not reallly Catholics pretending to be Catholics to subvert government and laws.

ie the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[JoabAnias]

Maybe we should bring back stoning adulterers too?

Jim

You know, that would probably solve the whole problem.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

thereselittleflower is my hero

 

[Epiphanygirl]

He was inconvenient but not liberal. He would never give moral support to those that defy His Church, especially over the matters of killing babies.

Here here!

 

[Michael96]

I made a mistake and used the Psalter for ordinary time for vespers tonight (from the Benedictine breviary). But the short reading seemed aposite to this discussion:

Romans 3:23-25a for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.