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<blockquote data-quote="RETS" data-source="post: 56430722" data-attributes="member: 273278"><p>The correlation, I think, is a bit misplaced, yet still relevant. It is not Islam as a collective of individuals that the US is at war with, or should be at war with; instead, the war ought to be against the radical fundamentalism that would take grudges centuries old and act out of vengeance today. Naturally, I am using the grudge thing as a weak, yet best case, example.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Brilliant and respectful, yes- However, they were also not likely to abstain from violence because of half the reasons this nation has offered up in the past eight to ten years. Just sayin'.</p><p></p><p>Nice post, by the way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and no. Our founders were certainly open to others of all faiths, ideals and nationalities. However, they were also not the type to be bullied. It is possible to have a war against extremists of a particular belief structure without condemning the entire following. Example: By now, most people know I have severe ideological differences with Islam in general, but I do not see every Muslim as an enemy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We did have more in common when one looks at the the fact that the things you mentioned were considered the norm by both cultures. However, the United States, and the peoples therein, had "evolved" past the treachery and cruelty of the Middle Ages. Were they still coming up with inventive new ways to kill my people? Oh, yes. Nevertheless, on the whole the US was about 200+ years ahead of those in the Barbary example, in terms of human rights awareness.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is, perhaps, true. Nevertheless, there are two differences between the most recent examples of Islamic extremist "jihad" and the United States' war response: One group of examples were done in the name of a deity and possibly retribution; and one group in the name of defense, security and the usual national concerns.</p><p>The second difference is far greater: One was carried out by a loose-knit group of murderous religious fanatics, and the other by a sovereign nation acting in its best interest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RETS, post: 56430722, member: 273278"] The correlation, I think, is a bit misplaced, yet still relevant. It is not Islam as a collective of individuals that the US is at war with, or should be at war with; instead, the war ought to be against the radical fundamentalism that would take grudges centuries old and act out of vengeance today. Naturally, I am using the grudge thing as a weak, yet best case, example. Brilliant and respectful, yes- However, they were also not likely to abstain from violence because of half the reasons this nation has offered up in the past eight to ten years. Just sayin'. Nice post, by the way. Yes, and no. Our founders were certainly open to others of all faiths, ideals and nationalities. However, they were also not the type to be bullied. It is possible to have a war against extremists of a particular belief structure without condemning the entire following. Example: By now, most people know I have severe ideological differences with Islam in general, but I do not see every Muslim as an enemy. We did have more in common when one looks at the the fact that the things you mentioned were considered the norm by both cultures. However, the United States, and the peoples therein, had "evolved" past the treachery and cruelty of the Middle Ages. Were they still coming up with inventive new ways to kill my people? Oh, yes. Nevertheless, on the whole the US was about 200+ years ahead of those in the Barbary example, in terms of human rights awareness. That is, perhaps, true. Nevertheless, there are two differences between the most recent examples of Islamic extremist "jihad" and the United States' war response: One group of examples were done in the name of a deity and possibly retribution; and one group in the name of defense, security and the usual national concerns. The second difference is far greater: One was carried out by a loose-knit group of murderous religious fanatics, and the other by a sovereign nation acting in its best interest. [/QUOTE]
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